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-Change of plans ***Voting Alert***
(several postings related to this)
Subject: Change of plans..*** VOTING ALERT ***
NOTICE!!!!!
As it turns out,, there is yet another change of plans..
Please note, that as a result of something the Democrats said, the following
is now true...
Don't be surprised that there is now a change..
After all.. it was Clinton that promised US equal treatment in the military
and then gave us the "Don't Ask Don't Tell Thing".
Don't Ask.. Don't Tell, should never have been accepted by the President; as
that policy puts the burden on Gay People to hide their sexual orientation
even more then what what was true before the change in policy took place.
Now, the way that it stands is .. It's the Gay's fault if they find out that
the Enlisted Person is Queer. How about addressing the issue that it is
wrong to discriminate in terms of any employment,, either in the Military or
otherwise.
Clinton got our votes eight years ago with promises, and then was real quick
to sign into policy a program that was actually against our better interest.
Who was he thinking about when he did that???
Also, don't forget that Clinton signed a bill that would allow State
Governments to ignore any state that passes a law that would allow Gay
Marriages. That was a detrimental act when at the same time we were making
progress in Hawaii.
As it tuned out, Hawaii did not legalize Gay Marriage and Clinton did not
help our fight with his actions.
If Clinton is so supportive of the gay Lifestyle,, then why is sodomy
illegal in his home state of Arkansas???
I would rather have a person in political office that I do not agree with..
then a person that promises to be my friend and then Screws ME. I can
respect a person that has a difference of opinion,, but I do not like to be
lied to. I understand that people are different and that not everyone agrees
with me. But I can not understand how a Man like Clinton can lie to the Gays
and the Gays still think the Democrats are ALL GOOD???
To think that all Democrats are GOOD and all Republicans are BAD is just a
stupid BIGOTED way to be. How about just voting for the best person rather
than voting for a person because a title or label. It seems to me that a lot
of Gays want there to be only one party in this Country. Well the Two Party
system of Government works for me.
*** VOTING ALERT ***
Due to an anticipated voter turnout much larger
than originally expected, the US Census Bureau and the
Electorate Voting Commission have determined that
current polling facilities may not be able to handle
the load all at once.
Therefore, Republicans are requested to vote on Tuesday, November 7, and
Democrats on Wednesday, November 8. Please pass this message along and help
us to make sure that nobody gets left out.
Thanx for letting make my comments..
An Irish Gay Republican.. Dennis O'
(Several postings responded to the above:)
From: "Bob Z"
From: "Ben Boxer"
From: "Vic Fandrich"
From: PlaytekUCN@aol.com
From: sxysxtys@webtv.net
From: Clark
From: TS
From: "jbellag"
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Subject: Bush appears at college that bars gay students
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Subject: Coppinger's ordination revoked
Ben Boxer notes: The continuing
saga of the chaplain of the Arizona
State Legislature, who came out as
gay on National Coming Out Day last
month, is a striking example of the
persecution all of us may face when
the Religious Right and the
Republican Party Platform are seen
as the "saviors" of our society.
Helping them gain a firmer foothold
in U.S. government by failing to use
the power of our personal vote in
next week's election is a burden we
deserve to carry if we can vote
against them, but don't.
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The Last Debate: Barney Frank
Rich Tafel
This Week's Topic:
What would the next two years look
like if the Republicans continue to
control Congress versus if
Democrats control one or both
houses of Congress?
Rep. Barney Frank (Democrat) If
the Republicans control Congress,
their leaders will do everything to
block legislation to vindicate the
rights of the GLBT community, and
everything to pass legislation that
cuts back our rights.
The Democratic leadership will do
exactly the opposite -- support
legislation to protect us, and work
against measures penalizing us.
This year, despite majorities voting
in favor of a sexual orientation and
gender inclusive hate crimes bill, the
Republican leadership killed it. The
Democratic leadership in both
Houses is committed to passing this
bill and ENDA.
In a Republican Congress, the
Committee chairs will be hostile,
while the Democrats will be strongly
supportive. Even where there is one
friendly Republican, the Democratic
alternative would be better -- Jim
Jeffords would be replaced by Ted
Kennedy as Chair of the Health and
Labor Committee.
When legislation does get to the
floor, party is also relevant:
Democrats support fairness for
GLBT people by 80% or more, while
the Republicans vote 85% or more
against us. There are a handful of
Republicans who vote with us on
substance -- although they won't
challenge their leadership on
procedures. But the Democratic
opponents of these supportive
Republicans are almost always
better.
There is no race for Congress with a
Republican being attacked for a
pro-gay stance. There are dozens
where a Republican campaigns
against a Democrat for supporting
us.
In Utah, the Republican Campaign
Committee chaired by Tom Davis
runs anti-gay ads against the
Democrat because the Human Rights
Campaign and I have contributed to
him. That is, the 100% anti-gay
line-up of the Republican leadership
includes Davis, who voted against the
hate crimes bill, and whom Log
Cabin cites as the one gay-friendly
GOP leader.
Barney Frank has represented the
Fourth Congressional District of
Massachusetts since he was elected
to the U.S. House of Representatives
in 1980. The Almanac of American
Politics dubbed Frank "a political
theorist and pit bull at the same
time." Politics in America noted
Frank's ability to "match liberalism
with hard-nosed pragmatism in order
to move the legislative ball." In The
House Representative Frank is a
member of the committee on the
Judiciary and the committee on
Banking and Financial Services.
Rich Tafel (Republican) The best
way to predict the future is to study
the past.
During Democrat control of both
House and Senate, we saw no
leadership on AIDS issues and no
advances on gay issues. Throughout
the 80's gay Democrats successfully
shifted blame for these failures to
Presidents Reagan and Bush. This
strategy worked until Democrats
took control of the House, Senate
and White House in 1993: the "Don't
Ask, Don't Tell" policy was enacted
and signed with Democrat majorities,
and it cost more people their federal
jobs than anything enacted under
Republican control.
During this same period, Democrats
didn't deliver on their campaign
promise to pass legislation protecting
gays in employment. In fact, we
couldn't even get House Democrats
to schedule the hearing. Clinton's
Administration even balked at
sending a representative to the
Senate hearing.
Looking forward, don't expect
Democratic House and Senate
control to move our agenda. They
view us as a base vote and ATM.
They know they can scare us back
into their column come election time.
This political calculus would change
if Nader makes a strong showing and
is perceived as a viable force in the
Democratic Party. Then, Democrats
fearing a progressive rebellion might
move some gay legislation.
Should Republicans win, we can
expect more of the same. If gay
votes and money go overwhelmingly
Democrat as they have before, it will
be hard to make a case for moving
any issues.
Surprisingly, on the issue effecting
our community budget-wise annually,
we've done better under a GOP
Congress -- who now lead the
Democrat President for AIDS
funding. Also, regarding
fast-tracking drugs, the GOP
Congress fought Democrats to
stream-line FDA approval and get
people with AIDS medication faster,
thus saving lives.
Rich Tafel, executive director of the
Log Cabin Republicans, was named
one of the nation's 30 most
influential gay leaders by Newsweek
and has twice made Out magazine's
top 100 list. Tafel founded the Log
Cabin Republicans in 1990 and today
it is the nation's largest gay
Republican organization and the
single largest gay source of campaign
contributions to gay-supportive
Republican candidates.
Subject: Clubhouse Thanksgiving Cards
The Thanksgiving Virtual Greeting Cards
http://www.pisgahweb.net/maturemen/cards/
are already at the Clubhouse, along with
two dozen other cards to send to friends
and lovers. T'giving is only three weeks
away. They're FREE, so think about it.
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