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-Re: Doing it with married men (2)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Well I guess I will have to respond now that I am in Edinburgh. Being a widower there are two sides and the married man sometimes makes the decision he wants male compnay for many reasons. The relationship between two men is totally different than man and woman to say the least and long live the difference.
John
John: I think having sex with married men is not as radical as it may first seem, depite it's wonderful fantasy qualities. Hopefully, we are moving from the dichotomy of "only" gay or straight categories--which I think to be politically motivated--to a recognition that there really is an entity called "bi-sexual". Many of these men are not "gay" in our sense of the term but are bi-sexual in that they can love either sex as an intimate partner or have sex joyfully with a partner of either sex. This may be confusing and painful if we are attracted to married men and keep thinking that "they" are "really" gay--"they just don't know it" mind-set. Teen-agers may call themselves "bi-sexual" as part of a transition to allowing themselves to be "gay". Adults, particularly the younger adults, who call themselves "bi" maybe really telling a truth. For those "bis" who are married to a woman partner, it might be well to enjoy the encounter, savor the friendship that may result, but not to want to have an intimate partner relationship--to be married, if you will--to the guy. He is, as it were, "already spoken for".
Eric
You will never realize how great it is to be able to come to a foreign country
and still be able to enjoy all the news you had been getting at home. Thanks
Ben and every one who writes. In 1993, the American Government funded a study to see why the Head of a Penis was bigger than the rest of it. After one year and $180,000.00 they concluded that the reason the head was larger than the shaft was to give the man more pleasure during sex. After the US published the study France decided to do their own. After $250,000.00, and 3 years of research, they concluded that the reason was to give the woman more pleasure during sex. Poland, unsatisfied with these findings, conducted their own study. After 2 weeks and a cost of around $75.46, they concluded that it was to keep a man's hand from flying off and hitting him in the forehead. Note: I personally believe that the Polish could be on to to something....
Dennis
An old man, a boy and a donkey were going to town. The boy rode on the
donkey and the old man walked. As they went along they passed some
people who remarked it was a shame the old man was walking and the boy
was riding. The man and boy thought maybe the critics were right, so
they changed positions. Later they passed some people that remarked"
What a shame, he makes the little boy walk." They decided they both
would walk! Soon they passed some more people who thought they were
stupid to walk when they had a decent donkey to ride. So, they both rode
the donkey! Now they passed some by saying "How awful to put such a
heavy load on a poor donkey. The boy and man said they were probably
right so they decided to carry the donkey. As they crossed a bridge,
they lost their grip on the donkey and it fell into the river and
drowned. The moral of the story? If you try to please everyone, you will
eventually lose your ass. All this talk about open and closed relationships got me thinking about threesomes. I have met older guys on the chat rooms and ICUII that were very attractive and in relationships with younger men. I ask them if they play around, and they have said we have threesomes together. But sometimes when they say that, they then say but we only have threesomes with older men because that is what their younger partner likes. I ask them if they would have a threesome with me and they say they would love to but their younger partner wants nothing to do with younger guys sexually. I am wondering if anyone on the list is in a relationship like this. Meaning they are in a monogamous(don't have one on one with others men) relationship except have threesomes but only do threesomes with older guys because the younger guy wants nothing to do with a younger guy sexually? I think that is a very selfish way to go. Anyone else think so? I would definitely be open to threesomes in order to satisfy my urges every once in a while. I think threesomes are a good way to go about that because then you know your partner is being safe and can make sure he is being satisfied by someone that meets a certain standard rather than some hustler. Although I am only attracted to older men and would want threesomes with older men... I would also let my partner choose a younger guy that wanted a threesome so that he can satisfy his urges. I wouldn't necessarily play with the younger guy but would get involved. I would do this not because I wanted to but because I would want the same for my lover that I hope he would want for me. I really believe that as long as you are both happy that is all that matters. But I think the situation I described above, the younger guy is being selfish, and if he allowed his older lover to have a threesome with a younger guy the older lover would be much happier.
Thanks,
Adam: You're there for sex-fun, not a relationship beyond what is offered. If you find that you really are looking for a relationship, get your own person. Don't steal. On the other hand, don't accept dates from insecure couples and set yourself up. There is nothing like a scene between two arguing lovers (often in the "marital bed") to deflate your pecker and make you swear off sex like one of those pyrotechnic situations...:>) You don't need that either. Threesomes require a degree of maturity and good judgment on your part and on the part of the couple...If they don't have it, leave.
Good luck. Speaking from experience, I don't think the younger guy is being "selfish" as I am exactly the same way--younger men DO NOT attract me. I don't mind if my partner has a younger man to play around with, but, I will not join in the fun. It's not a matter of being "selfish" it's just that some of us younger men do not want to have sex with anybody our own age---blame it on whatever you want, but, it's the way some of us are. To me, real fun would be me in a bed with Ben Boxer and Boston Bill--
David
I have mixed feelings about this posting. I
understand what he means, but it also sort of ignores
that erections only come when the desire is there and
a third party is not always welcome feeling when one
of the pair is obviously not turned on by him. I
think that the arrangement he describes is an odd one,
but couples have the right to do it the way they want.
I have threesomes with a couple in Austin from time to
time that I'd like to turn into a foursome with my own
cub, but the two cubs wouldn't attract each other at
all, so I haven't tried it. If I were sure my cub and
the older one of the pair would hit it off, I'd go for
it and we could pair off in the same room, but that
wouldn't be as much fun as all four of us going
together. I just read that our glorious 'Boston Bill' is going to get 'auctioned off' at the 2001 Spring CR Miami Beach Gathering this year..does anybody think they could possibly outbid me? I'd bid $500 (if I were only going to it), and BB would definitely work off every single penny.. Til next time, rest up old fella'.....
David
Dear David,
George of Boston (Boston Bill)
Howdy y'all!!!!
just me,,,as always a listfriend,,,,tim!!! XO! ;-)
Subject: Re: Summertime!!! But I'll be spending most of my summer riding my bike. I've been mountain biking for ten years and am getting into road biking this year... for a good cause. I signed up for the Canada-US AIDS Vaccine Ride. It's a 5-day, 400 mile ride, from Montreal (Quebec) to Portland (Maine) to raise money for research into the AIDS vaccine. On a mountain bike I regularly ride 30 to 40 miles but this is a whole new ballgame for me... four months left to train! :o)
I invite all of you to check out the Web site, especially those of you who
are into cycling and would like to take part. There are also rides in
Montana and Alaska. If there are any Silver Foxes in and around Montreal that are into cycling, I'd love to hear from you! I wish you all a great summer on the open road!
Hugs, I admit that I'm a coward and thus prefer to eat cotton candy and candy coated apples :7) ...And only in admitting one's fears can courage truly emerge or something like that... Anyway, there are only three things that i'm really affraid: Heights, big dogs and rats.
Hugs n' kisses End of silverfoxesclub-digest V1 #232
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