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-Humor: Psychotherapy Anyone?
---------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not a brand new joke, but some may not have heard it, and I think it's apropos to the current discussion: Two mature men were having a problem and decided to see a sex therapist. After filling out paperwork, the therapist told them to have sex while he watched. They made passionate love for 45 minutes. "Well, I don't see any problems," said the therapist. "Come back next week, and we'll try again." This went on for several visits, and finally the therapist said, "I still don't see any problems. You guys have fantastic sex. Why did you come to see me?"
"It's like this," said one of the men. "We're both
married, so we can't go to either of our houses. The
Marriott wants $110 for a room, the Holiday Inn $80.
You charge $50, and I get $40 back from Medicare." A few days ago, we had a couple of postings related to Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten and I promised you a possible scenario about the Amarna mysteries. If you want to refresh your memory, you can read those articles in online Digest 226. The scenario I promised has grown from a story idea into a novella of several chapters. It is online. Click here to read "The Amarna Secret."
------------------------------ Man: "Hi there new neighbor, it sure is a mighty nice day to be moving." Neighbor 1: "Yes, it is and people around here seem extremely friendly." Man: "So what is it you do for a living?" Neighbor 1: "I am a professor at the University. I teach deductive reasoning." Man: "Deductive reasoning, what is that?" Neighbor 1: "Let me give you an example. I see you have a dog house out back. By that I deduce that you have a dog." Man: "That is right." Neighbor 1: "The fact that you have a dog, leads me to deduce that you have a family." Man: "Right, again." Neighbor 1: "Since you have a family I deduce that you have a wife." Man: "Correct." Neighbor 1: "And since you have a wife I can deduce that you are heterosexual." Man: "Yup." Neighbor 1: "That is deductive reasoning." Man: "Cool." ***Later that same day*** Man: "Hey I was talking to that new guy who moved in next door." Neighbor 2: "Is he a nice guy?" Man: "Yes, and he has an interesting job." Neighbor 2: "Oh, yeah what does he do?" Man: "He is a professor of deductive reasoning at the University." Neighbor 2: "Deductive reasoning, what is that?" Man: "Let me give you an example. Do you have a dog house?" Neighbor 2: "No" Man: "Fag."
------------------------------ How Poor Are You? One day the father of a very wealthy family took his son on a trip to the country with the firm purpose of showing his son how poor people can be. They spent a couple of days and nights on the farm of what would be considered a very poor family. On their return from their trip, the father asked his son, "How was the trip?" "It was great, Dad." "Did you see how poor people can be?" the father asked. "Oh Yeah", said the son. "So what did you learn from the trip?" asked the father. The son answered: "I saw that we have one dog and they had four. We have a pool that reaches to the middle of our garden and they have a creek that has no end. We have imported lanterns in our garden and they have the stars at night. Our patio reaches to the front yard and they have the whole horizon. We have a small piece of land to live on and they have fields that go beyond our sight. We have servants who serve us, but they serve others. We buy our food, but they grow theirs. We have walls around our property to protect us, they have friends to protect them."
With this the boy's father was speechless.
Then his son added,
"Thanks, Dad, for showing me how poor we are." Dear friends in the Silverfoxesclub list and elsewhere, As I had planned, I was able to view the exhibit of "Men Together 1840-1918" at the International Center for Photography in Manhattan, New York, USA, earlier this week. The catalog of the show is published as "Dear Friends: American Photographs of Men Together 1840-1918", authored by David Deitcher, published by Abrams, New York, 2001, ISBN 0-8109-5712-4. Here is a review of the catalog of the show by John Mitzel: "Dear Friends: American Photographs of Men Together 1840-1918" is new from Abrams, in a cloth edition. Looking at this book of pix, I wonder, was there ever an "innocent period of American homosexuality" as the late guru of gayola Boyd McDonald once proposed? I have decided: each period is innocent in its own way. How could it not be? In each generation, boys and the boys and the girls and the girls have to learn to be sweet on each other. DEAR FRIENDS covers about three generations of men--though I have always and often observed that in gay life a "generation" is about 5 to 10 years, and for straight people it's about 15 to 20--and for modern sensibilities, this book's pictures raise issues of male bonding in ways that today, in some places, would be different, if existent at all. Why do the young men in these photos seem "sweeter"? DEAR FRIENDS has over 100 never before published vintage photos dating from shortly after photography was commercially introduced until the end of WW1. The text that accompanies these photos is by DAVID DEITCHER. He was born in Montreal; he's a writer, historian and critic. He was editor of the Scribner (1995) book: THE QUESTION OF EQUALITY: LESBIAN AND GAY POLITICS SINCE STONEWALL. In his new book, DEITCHER explores the nature of same-sex affection between men in the formative years of the American nation. Photos such as these included in the book could reflect a romantic attachment between men. One wonders. In a time very far away from ours, how public were men in their demonstrations with each other? Life was much tougher then. Men needed comfort. Think of Abe Lincoln showing up in Springfield and the sharp-eyed Joshua Speed pegging Abe and asking him to work with him and sleep with him--for four years (Lincoln counted the days). Cuddle up, brother. How much text do we need to explain why men need each other? Deitcher is good. But most of it seems obvious. In situations which are all-male or largely all-male, this is how men behave, long before identity was central. Though behavior and identity, as we have learned, are central. This book is a visual delight and a sensation, and as with all light, illuminating. $35.00
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George of Boston (Boston Bill)
Living in a small West Texas town can be slow
sexually, but things do happen even out here. I-10
has fairly heavy truck traffic, not like I-35 or even
I-20 but pretty heavy. Many of my regulars are
truckers who travel long distances and don't get home
often. Some are on dedicated routes, meaning they
travel the same route regularly and other go different
places each trip with repeat visit that are erratic.
I met a new trucker last night at the pickle park west
of town. He had a bit too much belly and not much
body
hair, but was strong, firm bodied, masculine, and a
big
thick cock and balls. He tells me he's 42 and has
not cum twice in a row in many years. I sucked him
cock thru his jockeys first and then sucked his
nipples. Pulled his jockeys down and sucked his
balls. He had obviously just showered and smelled
of nice soap but had no taste of it. I rimmed him,
then used my tongue and he moaned. So I took the
head of his cock into my mouth, ran my tongue around
it and slowly began to take the cock into my mouth.
It kept growing and by the time I had reached bottom
it was way back in my throat. It was somewhere
between 8.5 and 9" when he reached his biggest size
and it was unusually thick. Not a record but it
would have looked good in a porn flic....As I took
his cock into my throat, I worked a finger into his
asshole, which was tight as hell. He kept saying
not to do that because it hurt, but he continued to
moan and his cock was hard as a rock. Finally I had
worked my thumb into his ass, after using one finger
and then two. While sucking his cock gently, I
pulled my thumb out and got a condom and rolled it
down my cock and lubed my cock and his ass. I was
still sucking his cock as this went on. Then I came
off his cock and with his legs already raised to
give me access to his ass, I straigntened up and
gently entered. It wasn't easy, because he was
unbelievably tight. He may have been telling the
truth about being a virgin anally, but if he tells
anyone that now he'll be lying. He didn't cum while
I was fucking him, but his cock had spasms and when
I pulled out I took his cock deep into my mouth and
he shot immediately. Of course I still had on a
rubber full of cum. He took a little bit to get his
breath back and said he hadn't intended to cum that
soon and could always controll when he shot, but I
got him quick. So we sat and talked, I gave him my
phone number, and his cock never quite went down. I
was about to dress and leave but decided to say
goodbye to his beautiful cock. It got full size
immediately and he told me I couldn't leave him like
that. So I didn't. It took quite a bit longer this
time but he gave me a second load and went to sleep
with a smile on his face. I dressed, got out,
locked and shut the door of his Peterbilt and came
home to bed. I think he'll call when he comes thru
next but he doesn't drive thru here regularly, says
about once a month....hope he hits here when I'm
available. I need a regular even if he's not often. 05/05/01 - Priesthood haven for homosexuals Large numbers of gays are being drawn to roles in the Catholic Church, writes PAUL VALLELY. LONDON - The Catholic priesthood in Britain is fast becoming a gay profession. Proportionately, those training to be priests include significantly more homosexuals than there are in the general population, says the rector of one of the Church's seven English seminaries, Father Kevin Haggerty of St John's at Wonersh, Surrey. As well, an increasing number of gay men are training to be priests at other seminaries. Father James Overton, the rector of Allen Hall in Westminster diocese, has said "a sizeable number" of his students are now homosexual - a trend which could cause "enormous problems" in seminaries. And now a forthcoming British Channel 4 documentary, Queer and Catholic, is to allege that, while many of the gay men remain celibate, others do not. Homosexual sex - which the Catholic Church insists is "grave depravity" - has taken place inside the English College in Rome, where elite candidates for the priesthood are sent. The programme claims that seminarians there have also cruised Rome's gay bars and parks. Student priests in the college frequently referred to one another by girls' names and the culture in parts of some seminaries is one of "high camp." Taken together, all this suggests that, a gay subculture is emerging in some seminaries, similar to that which has developed in the United States, where it has been suggested that as many as a quarter of American priests are gay. Father Donald Cozzens, rector of one of the leading US seminaries, St Mary's in Cleveland, Ohio, suggested that among priests under the age of 40 it could be as high as 60 per cent. It was reported last year that the number of priests who had died of Aids was proportionally four times that of the general population. American seminaries now demand an Aids test before ordination. Cozzens wrote in a book called The Changing Face of the Priesthood: "The priesthood of the 21st century will likely be perceived as a predominantly gay profession." Seminaries, he said, were becoming "significantly gay" places. At Ushaw College in Durham, the rector, Father Jim O'Keefe, queries the American figures but acknowledges there is now an issue to be addressed in English seminaries. A former seminarian, Chris Higgins, reveals in the documentary, to be broadcast in Britain tomorrow, an occasion on which some trainee priests who "had had more to drink than others" became "very tactile and physical with each other in the refectory." Soon after, noises came from one student's room. "It was obviously two people having sex," the ex-priest says. "To cover the noise the person in the next room put on a Take That CD at full volume, which got the attention of most of the students in college who came down to the corridor to ask him to turn it down. "When he did, everyone could hear the noise of the two people having sex coming from the room next door." Students, even before they become priests, have made a promise of celibacy. But Higgins says: "Some defined celibacy as not falling in love, so one-night stands were permitted. It could be in a bush in a park, but your heart still belonged to God, to the priesthood and the Church. What you did with your body was just flesh." Yet such casuistry is not what will most dismay the Vatican which is, after all, now used to weathering sex scandals about priests being found dead in massage parlours, getting caught downloading huge porn collections from the internet or being found to have interfered with children. What will set the biggest alarm bells ringing in Rome is the suggestion that the Catholic priesthood in Britain could within a couple of generations become a gay profession. A variety of reasons are given for the disproportionate figures. Some commentators suggest that the theology of a male God has homo-erotic overtones to gay men. Others say that there are more gays in the caring and acting professions and that the priesthood is subconsciously assumed to be a mixture of both. Seminary rectors are concerned about those candidates who are confused or unhappy with their sexual orientation - and who think that a vow of celibacy will diffuse their internal confusions. O'Keefe says: "Among some there's a presumption that, once they're ordained, sexual temptation will be easier to cope with." He disputes that the number of gay priests is anything like the US surveys suggest, but acknowledges that disproportionate numbers of gay seminarians is a real issue. "But sexual danger does not go away, for heterosexuals or gays," he says. "The question is not whether a man is homosexual or not. It is whether he has integrated his orientation into his personality and ministry. Does he have the emotional experience to relate to a wide range of people at significant depth? "Anyone who can find security only in an exclusive homosexual sub-group would find it extremely difficult to cope with the breadth and depth of relationship needed in parish life." Ushaw College has introduced female theology students to the college, which O'Keefe hopes will broaden the emotional experience of trainees. At Wonersh, Haggerty agrees. "It is very limiting to categorise people by their sexuality; there's no one type of homosexual," he says. "But subcultures are a danger we're aware of. They are inappropriate for the priesthood anyway; they are divisive and ultimately unjust and contrary to the openness required of a priest." What worries him is the camp culture that arises among gays in some seminaries. In the English College in Rome, according to Higgins, his fellow students were known by nicknames including Daisy, Phyllis, Mavis and Big Shirl. Rectors have two anxieties about this. Cozzens says: "Heterosexual seminarians are made uncomfortable by the number of gays around them. The straight seminarian feels out of place and may interpret his inner destabilisation as a sign that he does not have a vocation for the priesthood." But more significantly, O'Keefe says, it reveals something about the emotional development of candidates. It implies, he says, a lack of adult psycho-sexual maturity. Gay theologian James Alison says: "The priesthood has always been a gay profession. It was for centuries the safest space for homosexuals in Western civilisation." In a century in which women have entered most of the once exclusively male preserves - from the law and the press to the Army and the police - "things which were part of the natural world until then now look like a gay subculture," he says. What Rome thinks about all this is not clear. Two of its main bodies, the Congregation for Education, which supervises seminaries, and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog, are both believed to be considering the issue. Vatican education officials are said to be sympathetic to priests of homosexual orientation. But the Most Rev Tarcisio Bertone, an archbishop and the secretary of the body formerly known as the Holy Inquisition, has let slip that he believes it is "self-evident" that seminaries should refuse admittance to gays. Although the homosexual inclination is not sinful in itself, the archbishop says, it "evokes moral concern" because it is a strong temptation to actions that "are always in themselves evil." "Persons with a homosexual inclination should not be admitted to the seminary." Such a line could have significant repercussions for English seminaries and for the survival of the Catholic priesthood in Britain in the 21st century. It could further alienate many of the gay Catholics to whom Cardinal Basil Hume went out of his way to offer support over the last two decades with the words "love can never be wrong." And yet it is quite possible that the present regime in the Vatican could take such a line. Elizabeth Stuart, professor of theology at King Alfred's College, Winchester, who is one of the Catholic Church's most prominent lesbian theologians, says: "Part of the panic is the fear that the Church's whole sexual ethic is going to be unravelled." The idea that all sex must be for procreation is the common link that binds the Catholic ban on contraception and homosexuality. A shift in the unrelenting attitude to gay sex, she says, "threatens to overthrow ... the Church's sexual teaching." The crucial thing for Alison is whether homosexuals in the Church now acknowledge their homosexuality or hide from it. "But even that is a threat to Rome, because a man who openly says 'I am' is a challenge to the teaching that homosexuality is an objective disorder ... "The Church's teaching is untenable. The top men in the Vatican know that but don't know what to do about it." One response has been to try to silence those who promote the homosexual cause within the Church. An American nun, Sister Jeannine Gramick was barred from ministering to gays because she refused to condemn those in her care. Then she was told she could not speak publicly about her silencing.
"Homosexuality is a time bomb ticking in the Church," she
says. "I think it is going to explode very soon." End of silverfoxesclub-digest V1 #229
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