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-Fellatio Course - Lesson 12 -------------------------------------------------------------------- There are times when you will want to get him off in a hurry! I always say that Southern boys learn this one first and then expand their repertory from that point. But because I want you to become an expert at all aspects of oral lovemaking I deliberately waited until now to introduce this technique. It differs from lesson four in that you are a more consummate cocksucker now. He will love it all the more if he realizes that this is not the only trick you have down your mouth! It is a very simple technique and if you understand your partner's basic cock anatomy you will grasp this one easily. Place your lips around the head of your partner's cock and twirl your lips wetly and gently around the coronal ridge at the back of the head of his penis. This does not require any great cocksucking skill and it works simply because this is the area that is most sensitive on your partner's cock. It is not necessary to be a skillful cocksucker. All that is necessary is for you to find the most sensitive area around the coronal area. By sucking on this area of his cock continuously you will produce a quick powerful cum. It is not necessary to bob your head up and down on his cock to get him off. One other use of this technique is to get him hard again after he cums and you will soon find him rip roaring to go again. Next - Fellatio Lesson Thirteen. Return to Table of Contents to continue lessons.
George of Boston (Boston Bill) First off let me thank Ben Boxer (is that really his name) for making this possible. I have met someone Very nice from your personal adds and members list at the silverfoxes site. Unfortunately he is married (to a woman no doubt) so my question is how do you (the Group) feel about dating married men be they gay, bi or straight (I say that in very loose terms). He seems very infatuated with me and we get to spend a few very intimate hours together on Saturdays. So should I be worried about straight diseases like liking women LOL or any thing else for that matter and why am I always attracted to married men?
Thanks all :>) If you're just in it for the sex, you've got nothing more to worry about than from any one else. However, if you're expecting him to leave his wife and take up with you the odds are EXTREMELY slim.
Whether he's actually gay or not will have little bearing. He's married and has presumably
stayed married to this woman for a reason. Hey bud, some of us are in the same boat..They've already been "broken" so enjoy him every second he gives you. By the way, they "taste" better...
David I feel as though I have to share my experience tonight with you all since we're all 'brothers'.. I went out to my favorite bar here in San Antonio this evening. I drank my 2 drink limit, then started drinking cokes. In comes this real handsome older guy (58 yrs old). I was sitting across the bar from him and he saw me looking at him and he looked back at me, and I knew we connected. This went on for a couple of minutes. I noticed him asking the bartender something and then they both turned to me and gave me a little 'giggle'. I had no idea what they were talking about, but I know it was something about me. He then got up his chair and came over to me, put his hands on my shoulders and told me that what he had asked the bartender was what I was drinking, the bartender had told him that I had just started on my 'coke' mode..He was going to buy me a beer. I told him that since I'm not one to not accept a free beer from a good looking older man, that it would be my honor to sit next to him and indulge in an ice cold Bud Light. We chatted for a while and he told me some a story about himself back in 1990 when he was in Cairo, Egypt. It so happens that the day he was due to depart Egypt for the U.S., we had just attacked Iraq. He told me all about the Embassy in Cairo evacuating people and how he thought that he'd be stuck there for a very long time because of the flight situation out of Egypt. He told me he made a mistake of hitting the wrong button on the elevator at the Hilton he was staying at and when the doors opened, he was met by 5 Egyptian Military Policemen pointing their guns at him (surprised) and how he almost got killed that evening. I also told him some of my stories being in Kuwait City for the past 7 years of my life. Everything was going along very good until he started telling me some of his little 'secrets'. He started by telling me that he had a lot of trouble bringing younger men to his house because he had been in some very ugly situations-had money stolen, he was beaten up a couple of times, and all sorts of bad things happening to him. I took his hand and told him that not all of us were like that. I was thinking to myself, this poor man has been broken previously and I had to do something to make him get over this fear of being brutalized again. He told me of the situations he had been in and how he was really having a hard time asking me to his house. I told him that he could come over to mine until he was comfortable enough to trust me. Then the biggest shock of my entire life came to life. After all of this talking and making me 'fall' for him, he tells me that he is HIV+! I was floored, absolutely shocked at him telling me this. I first thought to myself, what an asshole! I'm the type of guy that gets 'deep' into it when I meet somebody, I truly love talking to older guys and listening to every single word they tell me. I was at the point of thinking to myself, this is one of the best people I have ever met--he was real nice, handsome, and just a wonderful person to meet. Then I came to grips with myself. I started remembering everything he told me about his past experiences and how he had been brutalized by others. I quickly snapped out of my "pissed off" mode and started 'talking' with him. He had asked me to go with him to the 'bathhouse' that is only a couple of blocks away. I didn't say anything, but he knew that I didn't want to do anything with him that evening. The real reason I declined his invitation is because I have never been inside of that bathhouse, and I am afraid that once I step into it, that the cops will come busting in and arresting everybody in it. It would be my luck! After all of this happened to me, I couldn't help but getting a hold of him and telling him that I was sorry that I didn't meet him 10 years earlier and 'saved him' from this goddamned disease! This is where my agony starts-I started feeling so sorry for him, what does an HIV+ person go through day after day? Knowing that he has a really bad disease and there is nothing nobody in the whole world can do to cure it? I felt like I was defenseless (for the first time in my life!). There was nothing I could do in my power to help this man who gave me 2 hours of his life and made me feel like we had known each other for years. I almost broke down in front of him crying, but I contained myself. I had to excuse myself and go to the restroom and wash my face. I am still, to this very minute (12:28 A.M.) shedding some tears because I can't help but feel like this person can't have sex with people he tells about his situation. He really wanted to take me home and give me whatever I wanted, and I felt like shit because I declined his offers only because he told me he had HIV. I started feeling like I did him wrong. I don't know if I made him feel like a leper or what? I gave him my phone number and address and begged him, literally begged him to give me a call on Saturday as I want to be a friend to him. I probably will not let him have any kind of sex with me (he was begging me to let him give me a blow job), but, I can't bring myself to do anything with him only because of his HIV. Am I supposed to feel like shit for doing this? It's like a double edged sword, for both of us. By him telling me that he was HIV+ he risked me not wanting to do anything with him, but had he not told me about it, we would have had sex-and I might have gotten infected also. I am eternally grateful to him for being humane enough to tell me. The other edge of the sword is that I feel like shit now because I denied him having sex with me, and the only reason for that being that I am afraid of catching this disease also. I hate myself for doing it, but, what is a person to do? This e-mail is getting pretty long, there are so many feelings going through my head right now-I don't know if I'll be able to sleep. I can't help but think of how many people there are out there in the same situation as this wonderful man that I met tonight. If any of you go out doing the bars or looking for people to have sex with, please do yourself a favor and protect yourselves! I came real close to catching it tonight and had it not been for this man's truthfullness, I would have not known any better. I hope Ben decides to publish this in it's entirety. If anybody wants to personally e-mail me and give advice on how to go about dealing with this situation, please do so. I am having a hard time right now, it's my first time dealing with somebody who is HIV+ and it's opened up a whole new world to me. I want to help him out, but, what can 1 person do against this fucking disease? We have to do something and soon!!! By the way, he's been positive for 9+ years. He still looks perfectly healthy, doesn't show 1 sign of being sick. Just goes to show that you just NEVER KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David
David: I know personally that this is a difficult situation and requires deep thought but I also hope that men who are HIV+ and meet another HIV+ man realize that having unprotected sex is highly dangerous. The AIDS virus has mutated many times and contracting a foreign strain can ruin all the hard work in finding the correct "cocktail" that works for you. Be careful and informed no matter what your status is.
cu,
What about SAFE SEX?
Dear David, Of course it is reasonable for you to be concerned for your health b. and hopefully his as well. He was honest with you. Good! Many will not be. So YOU and ONLY you are responsible for your physical well-being. Never assume. An enormously large part of our population is HIV+, many other folks could have a host of other STD's as well, and you simply cannot "tell by looking." Fortunately there are MANY couples (with one partner HIV+, one HIV-) who are living happy, healthy, fulfilling lives the world over. There are SAFE ways to be intimate, you know. And there are ways that are not considered to be 100% safe, but considered very low-risk. Do some research. There is a multitude of information available today. A person's HIV status should NOT (IMO) be at the very top of the list when determining whether a relationship should or could have a future. Love is always stronger than fear, and both of you deserve happiness. Do yourself a favor... Get to know this man better. He certainly sounds worth it to me. And keep us posted.
Warmly, Wow! I don't know whether to say I'm sorry for you or for him (and maybe, you've found yourself a good friend if nothing else so I souldn't feel sorry for either of you). I really feel I have been blessed to have never found myself in a similar situation. What would I do? I don't know. I personally hope that people reply to "the list" on this one. I've heard so many different stories on how HIV is contracted or not that it would be interesting to find out more (e.g. Oh, stomach acids would kill the desease before it could do any harm anyway so really there is nothing to worry about (unless there is a little soar in your mouth that you don't know about!)). Is wearing "protection" really a good safe way to have sex? I remember several years ago people freeking out because a HIV+ person spit at them. What is really up with this? Does anybody out there know the truth? Just curious. And thank you David for brining me this touching story. Sleep well knowing you didn't do anything that you may have regretted, and that by telling your story you may find some good comes of it.
Warm regards,
Hi David, It is fine how you feel about HIV. If you are uncomfortable having sex with someone who is HIV+, that is ok. You must look out for yourself. If you do decide to have sex, it must be SAFE SEX, condoms galore! There are many relationships out of there, some which the two individuals truely and absolutely love each other, but just don't have sex. Just because he approached you at a bar, that does not necessarily mean he wants to have sex. I've approached men at bars just to talk, and have a good time in doing so. Sex is not the everything (gee, did I just say that??). Friends are much more important than having sex. He knows from just that one night talking to you that he has a future friend, it is now up to him to pursue it.
Edward I like married better too...
Why? I think it's because they "seem" straight. Generally, I find them to
be much better kissers...They are masculine, and best of all you can have
your fun with them and then send them on their way back to the BS that they
are escaping from by seeing you.. pauln1 wrote in part: Does anybody out there know the truth?
Dear Paul,
George of Boston (Boston Bill) "David Cantu" wrote: I feel as though I have to share my experience tonight.....
Dear David, May I recount a little of my personal experience? In the spring of 1994, I met a sweet and attractive young man (30) who had responded to me by postal mail after he had seen a picture of me in the Chiron Rising magazine. On our first date, we were walking on a grassy trail up a steep hill south of Boston. I had recently had major back surgery. I noticed that my young companion had to stop and rest more frequently than I at age 64 and not long out of hospital. Then I noticed the texture of his hair on his head, face and arms. It looked like the silky kind of hair that re-grows after chemotherapy. So many of my friends were already dead of AIDS, (almost all, to tell you the truth), that I was unfortunately too familiar with that phenomenon. So I took a deep breath and asked him directly, "Ralph, do you have AIDS?" His answer did not surprise me, "Yes". We quickly became very close. We loved each other. I went to my doctor, a gay man naturally, and chatted about the state of research then available on the oral transmissibility of the HIV virus. After learning everything I could about the risks, I decided that I could not have the kind of emotional intimacy I wanted and needed with this man without sucking his cock at least a little. Ralph always made copious quantities of pre-cum. So I did expose myself many times to his pre-cum but never sucked him to orgasm. I also allowed him to fuck me with condoms and water-based lube. (Of course, nowadays there are plastic condoms that permit the use of oil based lube, unlike latex {rubber} condoms. This subject of condom type and lube type to be used together is a matter that every gay man should inform himself about.) These compromises between my desire to express my feelings in particular ways and the risk levels of various behaviors were decisions made by me alone without any pressure from Ralph. I knew there were risks. I understood the level of seriousness and weighed that against other risks that I knowingly take daily in my life. For example, I drive an auto on the highway. I travel in aircraft. I walk across streets in downtown Boston. I kiss my close friends. Etc, etc. After we were close for nearly two years, Ralph decided to move in with me. We prepared a private room for him, for his furniture and belongings, installed a separate phone line, etc. He moved in his clothing and many other items. The next day he planned to leave his former residence forever. As it turned out, he did. The next day, instead of coming to my place, Ralph became seriously ill and went to a hospital. In less than six months, he was dead at the age of 32. He had never lived with me for even one day. At the funeral, I returned all his clothing, books, music and so on to his family. That was 5 years ago. I am tested once every year for HIV. I remain negative. I still consider my decision to have certain types of sex with an HIV positive person to have been both risky and rational, but I would not have traded those few years with Ralph for anything. I can imagine a particular set of circumstances where I would make a similar decision again. So ..... , please consider the matter carefully. Inform yourself. Talk to knowledgeable people. Talk to the positive person who is a potential partner. If you are religious, pray. In the end, weigh everything, do what you decide, and don't look back.
George of Boston (Boston Bill)
David, It's freaky..if I'm checking profiles on AOL and see that someone is "Poz" I don't send them an "IM". If they send me one, I'll chat and ask for a pic. Then if they are someone I'm attracted to I'll think "damn". But I just won't get together with him....I just can't......I never say why to them but I think they probably know.... It's sad.....
NYSBear Hi, list friends. I admire David's kind heart and his desire to do the right thing. I am probably very conservative on this issue, but I personally would not knowingly have any kind of sex with an hiv+ person. I feel that the risk is too great. I would be a good friend, and do safe things like hug, touch, etc. But I would not have sex, even with a condom. David offered his friendshhip: to me, that's worth a lot more than a quick sexual encounter. David did not dismiss this guy: now it is up to the guy to decide if he wants a kind, sincere friend.
Bob and Harley Have to agree with you. Having been there and now a widower. Enjoy the company that you may have with each other.
JT I begged this guy to give me a call today. He was only interested in sex last night, nothing else. I tried to be a friend to him but he decided that since I didn't let him give me a blow job last night that he didn't want to call me today like I asked him to. Trust me, I wish to thank him again for letting me know his status. I was hoping that he would give me a call today, he would have lifted my spirits, but, I didn't get it. He told me he wasn't going to call me, but I wrote down my phone number and address and slipped it in his pocket. I also told him that if he wanted an ear to listen to him, all he had to do was call. The line where you state "Just bcause he approached you at a bar, that does not necessarily mean he wants to have sex" is so untrue..that's all he wanted. He wasn't interested in having me become a friend. I was hoping he'd teach me about this disease, what it's like for people like him that have to live with it on a daily basis...He never called me back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know how I feel now, my heart is broken because I sincerely thought he'd call me today. I went out and bought "Philadelphia" on DVD today just in case he did show up at my doorstep. I wanted to sit with him on the couch watching it and having a good cry..I would have done anything to make him feel loved..but he DIDN'T CALL!
David
The subject poz men/ I was 27 my first male in my life had been everywhere
at 2 years younger then me but told me he had been tested and was
ok and i thought that was the end of it till after the winter came he was
sick all the time so i had many ?s
but got little answers.But i knew it wasnt
something that just happened unless there was something wrong but still he
would not tell me the truth and he was the love of my heart. What hurt
the most was the fact that he knew and we had unprotected sex for a very
long time. But when he found out he was poz he kicked me to the curb like
i was no body! Thankful i was not poz but since then my last partner was
and it did not work So now im in Texas and met a man 30 years older
than me that is poz and we have a woderful life and i am not poz. So life
with a poz person can happen!
A poz person with any love does not want to make another person poz.
so think before u hurt someone because if it was u how would u
feel??????? You know - the way you guys keep talking about this poor guy he has probably left town. He has HIV, not leprosy. Ernie
Dear David,
xofshi O.K., So I guess next time I get asked by an HIV+ man if he can give me a blow job without a condom, I'll just go ahead and do it since you guys are the experts and know that I also won't get infected....
Thanks!
P.S. from Ben Boxer: Listen to no one and nothing but your own instincts. If it troubles you in your innermost recesses to stick your dick into any orifice on an infected person, why do it? Don't do it for him. I have lost many friends to this plague. They have all learned to live with it in themselves and to die with it, as well. Not a one of them would have misunderstood had you simply said, no, I don't do it with HIV-negative people, but thank you for the offer. No one wants it and no decent person wants to give it away.
If you are not confortable doing it, don't
do it. This is an instance where it is not only
all right, but best and SAFEST, to think of
Ichi-ban, Number One. That's you!
David...
Ernie I don't recall ever have stated his name? And, others have told me stories on this listing about the experiences they have had with HIV+ people, so why aren't they being blasted also?
David From: ""Y T": Many of them have the decency and integrity and honesty to be open and frank about their condition. You are very right about this - I have a young friend who has just begun to get close to an older man. The older man is HIV+. He DID tell my friend, but only after the young man asked about medications in his fridge. I like to think he would have told him anyway and was just afraid of "scaring off" the younger man, but the truth is he only told him AFTER he was asked some pointed questions. I think there are every bit as many men who do NOT bother to mention their positive status as there are who do. They indulge in the safest sex possible always using condoms for anal sex and for oral sex as well -- although the jury is still out on that one -- if the positive is the blower rather than the blowee. Can't remember, but I do NOT remember David suggesting that the other fellow suggested using a condom for the blow job he wanted to give. Forgive him for not calling you -- you were the one who did not want to be with him -- I don't think this is true. The older man ONLY wanted the blow job and when David said no, that was the end of it. David is the one who suggested he phone; the ball was definitely in the older man's court. Also please forgive my sarcasm but my sympathies go to him rather than you. Again, I completely disagree with you, but that is what is great about things such as this list - we CAN disagree. Why wasn't the older man prepared to take things slower and develop a friendship (more than two hours!!!) rather than pleading to give a blow job and then shutting down after David refused?
Jim A little old couple walked slowly into McDonalds one cold winter. They looked out of place amid the young families and young couples eating there that night. Some of the customers looked admiringly at them. You could tell what the admirers were thinking. "Look, there is a couple who has been through a lot together, probably for 60 years or more!" The little old man walked right up to the cash register, placed his order with no hesitation and then paid for their meal. The couple took a table near the back wall and started taking food off of the tray. There was one hamburger, one order of French fries and one drink. The little old man unwrapped the plain hamburger and carefully cut it in half. He placed one half in front of his wife. Then he carefully counted out the French fries, divided them in two piles and neatly placed one pile in front of his wife. He took a sip of the drink, his wife took a sip and then set the cup down between them. As the man began to eat his few bites of hamburger the crowd began to get restless. Again you could tell what they were thinking. "That poor old couple. All they can afford is one meal for the two of them." As the man began to eat his French fries one young man stood and came over to the old couples' table. He politely offered to buy another meal for the old couple to eat. The old man replied that they were just fine. They were used to sharing everything. Then the crowd noticed that the little old lady hadn't eaten a bite. She just sat there watching her husband eat and occasionally taking turns sipping the drink. Again the young man came over and begged them to let him buy them something to eat. This time the lady explained that no, they were used to sharing everything together. As the little old man finished eating and was wiping his face neatly with a napkin the young man could stand it no longer. Again he came over to their table and offered to buy some food. After being politely refused again he finally asked a question of the little old lady. "Ma'am, why aren't you eating? You said that you share everything. What is it that you are waiting for?"
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Headline: Richard "Ricky" Escoto, a gay Mormon and Brigham Young University student, always considered the LDS Church's stance on homosexuality to be benevolent, even accepting. "I figured as long as I remained chaste the church would welcome me," he said. But Escoto has found it is not that simple. BYU, owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, recently suspended Escoto under the university's honor code for violations related to disputed allegations of homosexual conduct. According to Escoto, as well as another gay BYU student suspended two weeks ago, being gay without engaging in homosexual activity may be permitted at the Provo school, but students risk being sanctioned for even talking about same-sex attraction or associating -- however chastely -- with other gays or lesbians. On March 13, the school suspended Escoto, a sophomore from Los Angeles, Calif., on four counts: that he received gifts from other men, visited gay-oriented Internet chat rooms on his home computer, was seen on "dates" with at least three different men and was found "making out" with another male in his apartment. The two-semester suspension begins April 25. Escoto, 21, disputes the allegations. He says the school has "no proof of anything," but instead relied on the false testimony of "bigoted" roommates. His only crime, he says, was confiding his "issues with same-sex attraction" to a roommate with whom he was particularly close. Word quickly got out among the other roommates who turned him in to BYU's Honor Code Office, he said. BYU's strict honor code, which must be signed by all students, lists "homosexual conduct" among other prohibitions under the heading "sexual misconduct." The reference to homosexuality, added in the late 1990s, doesn't elaborate. "The Honor Code is not a laundry list of do's and don'ts," said Carri Jenkins, BYU spokeswoman, who confirmed Escoto's suspension but declined to discuss details. "It's not going to go through and spell out everything involved. Students have the maturity to decipher that and listen to what church leaders are telling us." Less than 2 percent to 3 percent of BYU's 30,000 students are referred to the Honor Code Office annually, most for minor dress code violations. Jenkins would not say how many referrals are related to homosexual conduct or result in suspensions. "But it's not many," she said. Contrary to what some students believe, "There are no sting operations. No one is going out and asking students their sexual orientation. It's not something they ask when they apply to the university," said Jenkins, referring to news stories in the '60s and '70s about campus police spot-checking gay dance clubs for license plates of BYU students, or posing as gay men and soliciting sexual favors from male students. The school's policy follows church guidelines that differentiate between homosexual tendencies and homosexual acts, Jenkins said. There is some confusion among students, however, about what precisely constitutes a homosexual act. "They don't spell it out in the honor code. I just thought it meant no sex," said Matthew Grierson, 21, who was told March 12 to either withdraw from the university or face a two-semester suspension. Grierson, a senior from Dallas, Texas, who was on a full academic scholarship at BYU, withdrew. Grierson said he was reprimanded for allegedly kissing a man on campus and holding a man's hand at a Provo mall. He admitted only to the latter. Escoto submitted a formal denial of his roommates' allegations and included character reference letters from fellow students and a former BYU professor living in California. But in the end, he said, school officials took his roommates' word over his. "Their official stance is they don't need further proof. They just need to determine it to be more probable or not," he said. Escoto contacted the American Civil Liberties Union but was told he has no case against the private institution. While the Honor Code may not spell out what behavior is unacceptable, a list of conditions Escoto and Grierson must meet to be readmitted does. The eight provisions detailed in Escoto's March 26 letter from Lane Fischer, BYU's associate dean of students, include: meeting regularly with religious leaders and a professional counselor approved by the Honor Code Office, who will attest that Escoto has refrained from engaging in "inappropriate same-sex behavior, including but not limited to dating, holding hands, kissing, romantic touching, showering, clubbing, etc., as well as regular association with homosexual men." The letter also reminds Escoto it is "inappropriate for a BYU student to advocate for the [homosexual] lifestyle, speak or write papers for public consumption, demonstrate in a public forum, or advertise your same-sex preference in any other public way." Grierson's letter of reprimand mostly reiterates these points, and reminds him that "it is inappropriate to demonstrate intimate affection for a person of the same gender." Jenkins said an authorized counselor does not have to be LDS or affiliated with LDS Social Services, which operates a counseling center on campus, nor are students required to undergo reparative or conversion therapy. That's not exactly true, said Grierson, who has seen a counselor at LDS Social Services for more than a year. "They don't call it reparative therapy, but that's what it is. The goal was to get to a place where my counselor could testify I was making progress," he said. "It was nice to have someone to talk to, but it wasn't like I was making progress being straight." The church's continued insistence on changing a person's sexual orientation irks some church members, particularly parents of gay children. Mac Madsen, a Mormon and BYU alumnus whose daughter is a lesbian, says, "Ultimately [church leadership] will have to relent the belief that homosexuality is a learned behavior." But, according to LDS Church spokesman Dale Bills, the approach is in keeping with church practices and the messages delivered to members by its leaders. "Church leaders compassionately assist those who struggle with same-gender attraction. Professional counseling may be a part of that assistance," he said. Bills pointed out that during an October 1998 General Conference LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley said the church welcomes gays and lesbians as "sons and daughters of God," who like any other faithful member must refrain from sex outside of heterosexual marriage or be subject to church discipline. Until now, Escoto has not openly admitted to being gay, telling school officials and friends instead that he has "issues with same-sex attraction," or "SSA" as it is commonly referred to on campus.
But Escoto, who hesitated to "come out" because of what he perceives to be the church's anti-gay stance, told The Salt Lake Tribune, "Yes, I'm gay."
Now, on the other hand if you find a drop-dead gorgeous
Mormon Missionary and
can get him away from his partner even for a short while.
Well then, let me
tell you--they are lonesome and horny and even the ones who
have girl friends
waiting for them are willing to accept a substitute. Oh
Boy......Don't knock
it till you try it. Cheers, Buzter! My other half who has recently passed away. Was a DEVOTEd Mormon since birth and only "wandered" away from the church 40 years ago (he was 65 and I am 36). But the "legacy" of the church and all it's "teaching's" haunted us everyday for the 11 years we were together. CULT is a understatement and I believe the same holds true for all organized religion. If you look closely at Mormonism you will see that the whole religion revolves around #1 Money and #2 recruiting and making Mormonism the LARGEST religion in the WORLD. Funny how his "CHRISTIAN" family turned into Vultures and Maggots when he passed away and they thought there was a buck to be made on the property. Although they havent seen each other nor spoken with each other for well over 5 years. Thankfully we had the forsight to expect this and we had the Title written with rights to survivor. The hell his family and church put him thru his whole life amazes me still and infuriates me to this day whenever I get to thinkin about it.
I have yet to find a single redeming quality to this "PACK" and could go
on and on about it. But will save it for another day.
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