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Silverfoxesclub-digest
Sunday, June 17 2001
Volume 01 : Number 274/5

In this issue:

-Humor: Some days...
-Homosexuality in Early History
-French royal family today?
-Leaflet from July 24, 1730 - Delft, Holland
-Why homophobia?

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From: "Dennis O" irishbear@hotmail.com
Subject: Humor: Some days...

Can't Win Them All....

A man and his wife are visiting Mexico and go to the local restaurant for dinner. They can't seem to decide on what to have so they spend a lot of time looking over the menu. While they are looking, they hear a trumpet fanfare, and out of the kitchen comes the cook with a big platter. He is accompanied by two or three waiters and with much ceremony, they place the platter on the next table and uncover it to reveal two rather large rounded pieces of meat surrounded by vegetables and lots of garnish.

The man and wife ask their waiter what that was all about and the waiter explains that the next table was just served the house specialty-the testicles of the bull from the day's bullfight. The man and his wife ask for the same dish and the waiter explains that there is only one bullfight per day so they can't have that dish tonight, however, they could be the persons of honor tomorrow night and that makes the couple happy.

They return the next day and await the feast. There is the trumpet fanfare, and the big procession and all the hoop-DE-do and they set the platter down and uncover it only to reveal two rather small morsels.

When the man asks the waiter, " what gives-yesterday's were so much larger?"

To which the waiter replies, "Well senor, you must understand, some days the bull wins."
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From: "Jon Kepler" johanness_kepler@hotmail.com
Subject: Homosexuality in Early History

I have been fascinated with the postings about homosexuality in medieval and renaissance times. I was particulary interested in the idea that man to man sex was imported by invaders. Isn't it interesting that no one seemed to think, or want to admit, that, since virtually everyone is fascinated by sex in some form, that all of the various forms of sexual practice could have been, and probably were, discovered independently many times over. I assume that I am in common company when I say that my discovery of the pleasures of sexual play occured so early in my life that I can't remember when that was. I do know that it was considerably earlier than my entry into kindergarten
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From: "Ben Boxer" benboxer@mediaone.net
Subject: French royal family today?

Apropos comments on the list today about the last king of France (Charles X), I would be interested to hear more about something on the BBC News today: "The flower-laden coffin of Princess Leila Pahlavi, 31, was driven to the Passy Cemetery in the French capital, where she was laid to rest. At the funeral was her mother, the former queen Farah, as well as members of the former French royal family and Frederic Mitterand, the nephew of the late French President Francois Mitterand. (Princess Leila Pahlavi, 31, was found dead on 10 June in a west London hotel after suffering what her mother said was a long period of depression. An autopsy failed to determine the cause of death, and the results of further tests were not expected for several weeks.)

My question is: Who were the "members of the former French royal family" at that funeral? Are they descendants of Charles X? Why were they at the funeral of the daughter of the fomer Shah of Iran? I know that Fara Diba, the former Shahbanou of Iran, was a 21 y/o student in Paris when they came and got her to marry the Shah after he divorced that gorgeous Queen Soraya who was childless.

The "Paris Match" site has not been updated over the weekend. Maybe it will have pix or information in the next edition. ------------------------------
From: Dean bvgay@yahoo.de
Subject: Leaflet from July 24, 1730 - Delft, Holland

English translation of the 18th-century Dutch text on the broadsheet from 1730 attached to this e-mail:

"A new Song of Law and Justice, that has been executed on Monday, July 24, 1730, within the City of Delft on 3 Persons, named Cornelis Krevel, Jan Moens, and Theys van der Meer, who were all hanged for committing horrible Sins; Afterward their bodies were thrown into the Sea, chained to heavy weights, as a warning to others."

Illustration (English translation mine) from Theo van der Meer, "Sodoms zaad in Nederland: Het ontstaan van homoseksualiteit in de vroegmoderne tijd" ["The Seed of Sodom in the Netherlands: The Emergence of Homosexuality in the Early Modern Era"], p. 348, SUN (publ.), Nijmegen, The Netherlands, 1995. Here is Van der Meer's description of the illustration:

"Bovenste helft van een vliegend blaadje naar anleiding van de voltrekking van doodvonnissen wegens sodomie, gedrukt door Cornelis van Zanten, 's-Gravenhage. Collectie A.G. van der Steur, Haarlem" ["Upper half of a flier printed by Cornelis van Zanten, The Hague, after the execution of the death sentences for sodomy. Collection A.G. van der Steur, Haarlem"]
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From: Dean Hutchinson bvgay@yahoo.de
Subject: The Persecution of Sodomites in the Netherlands, 1730-1737

The attachment, an anonymous print (detail) from 1730 (Collection National Print Room, Amsterdam), appeared in a brochure accompanying the Amsterdam Historical Museum's exhibition on gay and lesbian history, "Goed Verkeerd: de geschiedenis van homoseksuele mannen en vrouwen in Nederland" ["Two of a Kind: A History of Gays and Lesbians in Holland"], that took place from Oct. 24, 1989 to Feb. 25, 1990. The Dutch wording above the illustration (not visible on this detail) reads: "De Geregtigheid Verheerelykt door het Ondekken en Straffen der Hoog-gaande Zonde." ["Justice Exalted through the Discovery and Punishment of High Sin"]

In 1730, for the first time in its history, the Republic of the United Provinces [of the Netherlands] saw the heavy persecution of sodomites. These persecutions started in January of that year with the complaint of the Custodian of the (former) Cathedral of Utrecht about unnatural practices taking place in the building. The judicial authorities in this city went into action: two soldiers were arrested and executed in secret. The confessions they had made led to the arrest of the former soldier and footman, Zacharias Wilsma, who had traveled throughout the Dutch Republic. Wilsma.s confessions produced a snowball effect: in different cities numerous suspects were arrested and put on trial. The persecutions reached a climax in the summer of 1730, but investigations went on as late as 1737..[1]

Upon hearing his death sentence, one of the accused .Sodomites. [Dutch: .Sodomieten.], the eighteen-year-old farmer.s servant Jan Idses, told the judge: .I forgive Thee for the wrong Thou hast done me.. [In his own words: .Ik vergeef U de sonde, die gy my gedaan hebt..][2]

Not only was Jan Idses sentenced to death on that 24th day of September 1731, but twenty other .Sodomites. aged 15 to 48. A total of ninety-eight youths and men were put to death during the Dutch pogroms from 1730 to 1737: the 72-year-old vendor Antony Byweegen; the 36-year-old beggar Hendrick van Battum; the 41-year-old quartermaster Mathijs de Goijer; 40-year-old Kornelis Krevel; 34-year-old Matthijs [.Theys.] van der Meer; 55-year-old Jan Moens; the 19-year-old soldier Steven Schuerings; the 50-year-old stableman David Muntslager; the 42-year-old clerk Jan van Beveren; the 48-year-old farmer Gerrit Freriks; the 57-year-old canon and vintner Jan van Lennep; the 20-year-old farmer.s servant Jan Beerents[3] . and many more...

In the summer of 1999, my lover, Joerg, and I visited the site in Utrecht where it all began... At the foot of the spooky-looking, medieval Cathedral of Utrecht ["de Domtoren"] is a large plaque, unveiled that summer, commemorating the 18 sodomitical Utrechters who were put to death during the pogroms. It reads: "18e eeuw / Sodomie / Barend Blomsaet / en 17 andere mannen werden in / Utrecht veroordeeld en gewurgt / Hun daden verzwegen - Vandaag / Homoseksualiteit / Mannen en vrouwen kiezen / In vrijheid" ["18th Century / Sodomy / Barend Blomsaet / and 17 Other Men Are / Sentenced to Death in Utrecht and Garrotted / Their Crimes Buried in Silence - Today / Homosexuality / Men and Women Choose / In Freedom"]...

More illustrations, pics and interesting details of early-18th-century gay life in the Netherlands will soon follow.
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[1] Theo van der Meer, .The Persecutions of Sodomites in Eighteenth-Century Amsterdam: Changing Perceptions of Sodomy,. in: .The Pursuit of Sodomy: Male Homosexuality in Renaissance and Enlightenment Europe,. pp. 237-248, here: p. 263, Harrington Park Press, New York/London, 1989.

[2] Jan Idses, quoted in: D. J. Noordam, .Riskante Relaties: Vijf eeuwen homoseksualiteit in Nederland, 1233-1733. [.Risky Relations: Five Centuries of Homosexuality in the Netherlands, 1233-1733.], p. 274, Uitgeverij Verloren, Hilversum, The Netherlands, 1995.

[3] Ibid., pp. 383-86.
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From: "Jon Kepler" johanness_kepler@hotmail.com
Subject: Why homophobia?

First, I want to say how much I enjoy this list! It provides both food for the mind and food for the eye; an unbeatable combination rarely found. Thanks to all contributors in general and to Ben in particular Second, I have ruminated for years on the 'why' of homophobia; why it started and why it remains. My theory regarding the start assumes that small, persecuted, groups were concerned with survival and that increasing the group size as rapidly as possible would increase their chances. I'm sure that when the christian and moslem relegions were small and unpopular the chances of survival was increased with increasing group size. Homosexuality would reduce the growth rate of the group. Prohibiting it might make sexual activities promote group expansion. Anyone have any thoughts, pro or con, on this theory A friend feels that the continued prohibitions are, in part, manifestations of the disire to exert control on the part of the powers that be, especially religious powers. (Cardinal Ratzinger comes to mind here.) I'm not sure that I buy this but there is no doubt that many religions crave control over their flocks. My question is, why choose such a difficult one to control? I suppose that if you can control such a strong urge as sexuality you have reached the control pinnacle. Any comments Lastly, I firmly believe that the prevalance of gay bashing is a manifestation of fears that the 'basher' my be come 'infected' with homosexuality. No one with any real sense of his own sexuality should have any fear of change that is beyond his control. Does that thought have any meaning in the greater acceptance of gays today? After all there are popular movies and TV shows that have gay characters. There must be a big collection of people that can accept those with out too much pain or they wouldn't survive in the market place. Of course, there is an element of titilation involved too but that wouldn't be acceptable if the majority of views were potential gay bashers I'm interested in any and all comments on these and similar subjects
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From: Big-ol-Bearcub@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Accident Report

Happy Father's Day, Daddies and Granddaddies!
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Accident Report: Dear Sir "I am writing in response to your request for additional information in Block 3 of the accident report form. I put 'poor planning" as the cause of my accident. You asked for a fuller explanation and I trust the following details will be sufficient.

I am a bricklayer by trade. On the day of the accident, I was working alone on the roof of a new six story building. When I completed my work, I found that I had some bricks left over which, when weighed later were found to be slightly in excess of 500 lbs. Rather than carry the bricks down by hand, I decided to lower them in a barrel by using a pulley, which was attached to the side of the building on the sixth floor.

Securing the rope at ground level, I went up to the roof, swung the barrel out and loaded the bricks into it. Then I went down and untied the rope, holding it tightly to ensure a slow descent of the bricks. You will note in Block 11 of the accident report form that I weigh 135lbs.

Due to my surprise at being jerked off the ground so suddenly, I lost my presence of mind and forgot to let go of the rope.

Needless to say, I proceeded at a rapid rate up the side of the building. In the vicinity of the third floor, I met the barrel which was now proceeding downward at an equal, impressive speed. This explained the fractured skull, minor abrasions and the broken collar bone, as listed in section 3 of the accident report form. Slowed only slightly, I continued my rapid ascent, not stopping until the fingers of my right hand were two knuckles deep into the pulley.

Fortunately by this time I had regained my presence of mind and was able to hold tightly to the rope, in spite of beginning to experience (pain). At approximately the same time, however, the barrel of bricks hit the ground and the bottom fell out of the barrel. Now devoid of the weight of the bricks, that barrel weighed approximately 50 lbs. I refer you again to my weight.

As you can imagine, I began a rapid descent, down the side of the building. In the vicinity of the third floor, I met the barrel coming up. This accounts for the two fractured ankles, broken tooth and several lacerations of my legs and lower body. Here my luck began to change slightly. The encounter with the barrel seemed to slow me enough to lessen my injuries when I fell into the pile of bricks and fortunately only three vertebrae were cracked. I am sorry to report, however, as I lay there on the pile of bricks, in pain, unable to move, I again lost my composure and presence of mind and let go of the rope and I lay there watching the empty barrel begin its journey back down onto me.

This explains the two broken legs.
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I hope this answers your inquiry."
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