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-Quotes of the day (5)
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1) "I think the policy of the Boy Scouts is far more dangerous than we recognize,'' said Rabbi Dan Polish, director of the Joint Commission on Social Action, the Reform Jewish leadership group that drafted the position paper (stating that the Boy Scouts' discriminatory position against homosexuals is incompatible with Reform Judaism which supports equal treatment for all individuals, regardless of sexual orientation). "It promotes the stereotype of gay men as predatory and immoral. You are setting groups up for fear and hatred.''
2) A counter-statement came from Jeff Herrmann, executive for the South
Florida Council of the Boy Scouts: "Tolerance for diversity doesn't mean you
abdicate your own values. People who in our judgment cannot meet the Boy
Scouts of America standards are not welcome.''
The Rabbi is correct. The rightists are dangerous.
But, so long as everyone gets to act and say what's
the felt truth, then we can all make our judgements.
My suspicions are that the Boy Scouts would have gay
people in the closet and terrified to make a peep. "Be
Prepared," I would say to BSA, to get a little verbal
flack when your statements and dictates on decency and
goodness are challenged by people who assert their own
beliefs. May Rabbi Dan enjoy many years of happiness
serving his floc and humanity. Tom
And it's all so rediculous! They're merely attempting to "bully" existing scouts into NOT persuing their natural desires, and terrify young assistants and Scout Masters into keeping at an arm's distance from their own charges out of fear. Who is kidding whom? I was a scout and I remember quite clearly... Here is the formula... Throw together a few hundred males, aged twelve through adult, raging hormones so deep they can be captured from the air with a net, (a loose net at that), and call it "camp"... (haha... gotta' love that.) At camp we sleep in pairs, secluded in the woods, we spend lots of time naked, we "bond" with our adult counterparts as much as possible to learn to be robust, adventurous, rugged MEN... all perfectly natural, but certainly not a climate which fosters heterosexuality to a very large degree, especially when these things exist completely in the absense of females. Camp is where I learned to masturbate, it is where I learned about semen, it's where I learned the pleasure of oral sex... My God, my body was alive and electric, how could I NOT experience these things in this environment?? No matter how hard they try or how much bully-pulpeting they foist on scouts and non-scouts alike, they will never be able to do what millions BEFORE them have never been able to do - eliminate the very natural and ever-present reality of H0MOSEXUALITY.
Wah.
Dear Marshall, It's been represented by nature as long as there has been history to write about, and if you can't acknowledge that, you disregard everything that science has to say on the subject. You may not LIKE it, but that does not diminish it's existence. BTW, as I recall... As a sexually active scout, I was not approached by any perverts... As I recall, I was the one doing the persuing. And I don't regret a second of it. What is with this newly found (relatively speaking) Western homophobia? Speak about unnatural... This is an historically new phenomenon, and there is absolutely nothing "natural" or "traditional" about it. Until recent years, every culture throughout history (with the exception, of course, of our "new" Western hostile period) has simply understood and accepted that man-man sex is natural, is a given, and that to deny it is to be painfully arrogant and self-defeating.
It's going to happen, Sir, as it has always happened. And self-righteous
Western new-found hostility will not, try as it might, ever be able to "wish
it away".
No more postings on this thread, please. The quotes concerned the
condemnation of the discriminatory anti-gay policy of the Boy Scouts by the
American leaders of Reformed Judaism and were not meant as a springboard
into reflections on pederasty.
Did anyone see this month's episode of In the Life? There was a wonderful article on the show about gay pioneers and how they started picketing in the 1940's/1050's in Philadelphia, before Stonewall occured. It was a different time and they used different methods to get their point across. They would dress very conservatively so they would not draw attention to themselves, but instead people would pay attention to the picket signs and the pamphlets being handed out.
Edward
NEW SOFTWARE INTENTIONALLY ANNOYING Most Users May Not Notice, Say Researchers RESTON, VA. (SatireWire.com) - AlphaMail, Simon Sucks, and ElfinFind are expected to be among the top-selling software programs this year, according to market research firm PC Data, which forecasts a "conspicuous drop" in traditional help utilities and a surge in what it calls "vengeful, senseless and exasperating" utilities. "There's no particular reason for it," said PC Data analyst Pauline Printz. "Sometimes we just make these predictions and see what happens." Among the programs likely to be top sellers: - - Where in the World Is That Damn File? (BadApps.com; $39.95): Takes a file at random from your hard drive and hides it in "somewhere on the Internet." Great educational utility that teaches users how big the Internet really is. Also provides a valuable lesson in backing up data. - - ElfinFind (Search and Annoy Utilities; $19.95): Internet search utility, automatically scans the Web for references to the word "elfin" and continuously delivers results to your desktop, even when you beg it to stop. - - Flashback 2.0 (Luddite Software; $49.95): Remember your DOS commands? Better brush up, as this utility irrevocably converts any PC into a 1981 model IBM XT with 128k RAM running DOS 2.0. (External 5.25-inch floppy drive sold separately.) - - Simon Sucks (Taunting Technologies; $199.95): A Prefatory Command Utility based on the popular game Simon Says. After installing Simon Sucks, users are required to type in the words 'Simon Sucks' before each mouse click in any program. Users who forget to type 'Simon Sucks' are 'Out,' and their computers will lock up. Users must then reboot using the 'Tell Simon You're Sorry' emergency disk. Replaces the popular 'Mother May I?' Prefatory Command Utility. - - AlphaMail (Don't Call Me SoftWare; $99.95): Email plug-in that autoresponds to all incoming mail with message: "WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO TELL ME, SAY IT TO MY FACE." - - BetaMail (Don't Call Me SoftWare; $699.95 for those who like the price, $999.95 for anyone who complains): Doesn't actually do anything, and if that's a problem, the price is $1,299.95.
Edward
August 1996 WASHINGTON -- Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia -- the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory. Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35 homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience. Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records male tumescence. Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the video depicting male homosexual sex: 'The homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual video, but the control [nonhomophobic] men did not.' Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did. When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual video. Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, 'anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,' and so it is also possible that 'a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.' Article: 'Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?' by Henry E. Adams, Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr, University of Georgia, in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445. (Full text available from the APA Public Affairs Office.)
The American Psychological Association (APA), in Washington,DC, is the
largest scientific and professional organization representing psychology in
the United States and is the world's largest association of psychologists.
APA's membership includes more than 142,000 researchers, educators,
clinicians, consultants and students. Through its divisions in 49 subfields
of psychology and affiliations with 58 state and Canadian provincial
associations, APA works to advance psychology as a science, as a profession
and as a means of promoting human welfare.
It's a good idea to check it out from time to time to stay abreast of
changes or magnifications of list policy, etc.
Smiley serves as our tail-twister and does a good job of it because his
boss, our other virtual silver fox, named Studly, is the busy mascot at the
Clubhouse and doesn't have time for list problems. Studly has a bark that's
a whole lot worse than his bite, but Smiley is the opposite -- if you get my
drift.
Smiley has noticed a couple of comments in recent posts that perked up his
foxy ears. You may want to remember that the slogan he lives by is like
mother's (vixen's?) milk to him: "Flamethrowers beware!"
The sound you may hear if things begin to get incendiary in your posts will
not be the chattering of his teeth. He will be sharpening them, and believe
me, you don't want Smiley snapping at your ass!
Stay cool in your dealings with each other, gents, and there will be no
problems for him to resolve.
Apropos yesterday's thread about homophobia among London bobbys toward their
colleagues who are gay, I would like to add an item.
A few years ago, there was a story in the newspapers about a gay policeman
patrolling his beat in an American city. When he came across escaping
burglars, a shoot-out ensued. He radioed for assistance, stressing that he
was alone, and went on bravely returning fire. Help did not arrive in time.
He was killed. The perpetrators escaped.
It was discovered the next day that a squad car manned by two of his fellow
patrolmen had been parked on a building surveillance less than two blocks
away. These cops denied hearing his cry for help, but through some oversight
a small cassette recorder used for interrogations had been left on in their
car.
The incriminating tape told the tale.
Gunshots echoed from the squad car's radio, then the frightened gay
officer's desperate plea. The stakeout cops greeted it with cynical
laughter.
One was heard to say: "Fuck that faggot! We're staying here."
"Yeah," the other agreed, "He's a fairy. He's got wings. Let the cocksucker
fly out of there!"
The article made no mention of what discipline, if any, was meted out to
those rogues, but their inaction smelled like a clear case of manslaughter,
if not murder, to me.
Hello gentlemen,
I'll make this as brief as possible. I'm 42 my lover
is 70. We have been together 6 years. We both still
work, however, he works only because he wants to. I am
a physician and make a great deal more money than he
and pay all of our living expenses. I would LOVE it if
he would retire but he gets fulfillment from his work,
so I won't rob him of that. I love him more than life
itself, however, I am having a problem. He has always
been the boss and I don't mind that. The problem is
that about 5 years ago we argued and he said I was
being disrespectful. He grabbed his belt and told me
to drop my pants. I laughed and walked away. He said
if I wanted out relationship to continue that he was
the "Dad" and I was the boy and I would do as he said.
I have always considered him the dad and I humored him
and dropped my pants. He beat my ass. It hurt, I was
embarassed but I figured he got his jollies so no big
deal. Over the next 5 years, however, it has happened
maybe eight more times, the most recent being two
nights ago. I got up this morning looked at the welts
on my ass, and thought I have got to get advice on
this. What's worse is that he made me stay in the
bedroom all night claiming I was "grounded". (he has
done this before as well) I could never leave him. I
love him so much, but what do I do about this
situation. I am dead serious I need some advice. Do I
just accept this and get punished every so often. I
feel stupid (hence my sarcastic e-mail address), and
I'm even embarassed to be writing this. I ADORE him
and respect him. If I must take these "lickings" as he
calls them then so be it. But guys, am I alone out
here? Have any of you been involved or heard of
someone involved in such a relationship where the
older one disciplines the younger one..not as a result
of kink but because he's truly angry. Almost
invariably these incidents arise because he feels that
i have been disrespectful to him in some fashion. I
don't ever want to disrespect him, however, sometimes
if we are arguin, like anyone else..I'll holler, or
curse. ANyway guys PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give me your
input. THANKS!!
Jason
dearest obedient son, Jason.....
Here is some advice from another Dad.....you should
learn to accept discipline when it is administered -
just like the OBEDIENT son that you either are or
CRAVE TO BE!!
I clearly understand that you might scream and yell
when you are in the heat of argument....HOWEVER you
clearly should know the consequences of that.....
So....my advice is to DROP THOSE UNDIES....poke that
SWEET TASTING BUTTHOLE UP IN THE AIR.....and TAKE IT
LIKE THE GOOD AND OBEDIENT BOY YOU ARE!!
Oh yes...just one more thing....if you are in the SF
Bay Area....you probably deserve all you get anyway!!
Sir Dad End of silverfoxesclub-digest V1 #106
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