Silverfoxesclub-digest
Wednesday, January 10 2001
Volume 01 : Number 103

In this issue:

Gay Rights Groups Join Opposition to Ashcroft
Re:prostate (3)
Naked sadhus
Fwd: 1948-2000
New Years and resolutions (2)
Parents Told To End Boy Scouts Ties

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From: Edward eho01@alumni.poly.edu
Subject: Gay Rights Groups Join Opposition to Ashcroft for Justice Dept.

From today's NY Times.

Edward
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January 9, 2001

Gay Rights Groups Join Opposition to Ashcroft for Justice Dept.
By NEIL A. LEWIS

WASHINGTON, Jan. 8 - The Senate Judiciary Committee may begin hearings as early as next week on the selection of John Ashcroft to be attorney general, Senate aides said today, as gay rights groups joined a coalition of liberal interest groups aimed at defeating the nomination.

With the hearing looming, supporters and opponents began accelerating preparations for a confirmation battle. Democrats on the committee, for example, are trying to obtain a transcript of a commencement speech that Mr. Ashcroft gave in the spring of 1999 at Bob Jones University, a conservative religious institution, to see if it included remarks that could affect the nomination.

Associates of Mr. Ashcroft, a former Republican senator from Missouri who was defeated in November, have remained confident that he will be confirmed.

The opposition from gay rights groups has developed because few senators have been as direct as Mr. Ashcroft in expressing dislike of gay behavior. At the same time, his positions on the issue, like many other social questions, have won him support from groups that believe traditional family values should be reflected in public policy.

He has said he regards gay behavior as a sin because he believes that the Bible takes that view. He has also praised gay people who had worked with him in Missouri, where he served as governor and attorney general but asserted that their lifestyles hastened their deaths.

And he has opposed legislation extending hate crime laws to cover gays. Mr. Ashcroft spoke extensively about his views on gays in September 1996 when the Senate was debating the Defense of Marriage Act, legislation intended to deny federal benefits to married people of the same sex and to allow states to ignore such unions sanctioned in other states.

"While I served as the governor of the State of Missouri, I learned that several individuals in the administration were homosexuals and had done outstanding work," he said in a floor speech on Sept. 6. "Unfortunately, several of those individuals with whom I worked and whom I respected met a very early death, in part as a result of the practice of their lifestyle, and it is a tragedy."

An associate said that as governor, Mr. Ashcroft never inquired about sexual orientation and did not discriminate in hiring and promotion.

In supporting the Defense of Marriage Act, Mr. Ashcroft was joined by 84 other senators.

On Tuesday, liberal interest groups planned to announce their opposition to Mr. Ashcroft's nomination.

Elizabeth Birch, the executive director of the Human Rights Campaign, the largest group representing the political interests of gays, and Elizabeth Toledo, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, said their groups would be prominent among those opposing Mr. Ashcroft.

At least one Democratic senator expressed reservations today about Mr. Ashcroft's ability to serve as attorney general, in part because of his views on gays.

Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, said he was dismayed that Mr. Ashcroft had opposed the confirmation of James Hormel, a San Francisco businessman, as ambassador to Luxembourg because Mr. Hormel is gay. Mr. Ashcroft, with Senator Jesse Helms, Republican of North Carolina, had blocked the Hormel nomination.

"Nobody raised any questions about Mr. Hormel's business experience," Mr. Kerry said, "his legal qualifications or his contributions to the community. It was only his being gay that led to Mr. Ashcroft joining those who sought to block the nomination."

In June 1998, Mr. Ashcroft told reporters that he thought it was inappropriate for Mr. Hormel to be an ambassador because "his conduct and the way in which he would represent the United States is probably not up to the standard I would expect."

Mr. Hormel was appointed to the post by President Clinton during a congressional recess, sidestepping the confirmation process.

Mr. Kerry said that while he had not decided how to vote on the Ashcroft confirmation, the nominee's views on gay rights were "only one component of a series of choices he has made that in my judgment call into question whether he has the moral authority and legal impartiality required of an attorney general."

So far, some of the opposition has been aimed at persuading Democratic senators at least to delay statements of support for Mr. Ashcroft based on the fact that he is a former colleague. They have had some success. Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrat of Delaware, who had suggested that confirmation would be easy, said on Sunday that he might oppose the nomination.
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From: leslie E Wellington-Garrett blackie@dircon.co.uk
Subject: Re:prostate

In 1979 I was advised by a Harley Street Specialist In the Uk That unless I had my prosate removed,I would get testicular Cancer.

So I had the op. He told me that a number of men would not have the op,because they felt that they would lose their masculinity,because their spunk would go,as a nother member mentioned straught into their bladder.

I know what my preference is. Since the op,OK I have saved a fortune in tissues. I get wonderful orgsms.no problems.. No difficulty in sexI am versatile,and when a man asks if he may,I say yes. So no problems. it is true of course that one misses the massage effect of the cock on the prostate. But that is a small price to pay for peace of mind.

Regards leslie
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From: "Jock Power" baja13@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: prostate

I have been interested in the conversation about prostate cancer- removal and radiation seeding implants. Having been diagnosed with prostate cancel in May last year and having had the radiation seeding implants last June-I have some first-hand information to pass on if anyone is interested and care to contact me privately. I can assure everyone that life is NOT a bed of roses afterwards. Jock
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From: "George T. H. Fuller" loisf@interchange.ubc.ca
Subject: Re: prostate

Interesting Jock,
I have had a couple of friends who went through the seed implant procedure but coupled it with some other therapies, and they both seem to have had some after effects. I went through radiation treatment in Dec-Jan of 1997-8. It was an uncomfortable 1.5 month process. It has done a little damage to the lower colon and rectal area, but aside from looser stools and occasional minimal rectal bleeding it has not been a problem. Coffee and some foods produce more rapid bowel movements than previously. Coffee is generally bad for people with prostate problems. A Korean friend of mine has taught me Korean acupuncture and I find it useful. I'm 72, still get nocturnal erections. Regular erections are not as strong as they use to be but no worse for the radiation. Frankly it depends on how exciting the stimulus happens to be in most cases, and how horny I get :-). I've tried viagra and even 1/2 a pill helps, but in part I think its more to make certain things work than an absolute necessity, i.e. I don't want to gamble my image. As for being fucked, the damage to the rectal area doesn't seem to have effected it. However, it is more dangerous if you don't practice safe sex. I have a very enlarged prostate which does not interfere with any sort of sex. Radiation reduced the precum to virtually zero, and the physician says the only reason I still have any ejaculate is the size of the prostate. Its worth inquiring about possible infections with reverse ejaculation. is the best place to get advice on these issues as well as to ask questions and engage in dialogue. Its a wonderful site. If you haven't tried it, start now and get them to send you the regular bulletins. My physician didn't think much of anal sex after the procedure, but I just ignored him for my own experimentation. However, its not just AIDS that you have to worry about when you are doing this. I know a number of people who have undergone the TURP procedure that one of you talk about, and they all seem to have some incontinence problems. My father was one of them. George
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From: "Ben Boxer" benboxer@mediaone.net
Subject: Naked sadhus

Ben Boxer comments: I have attended holiday celebrations in several cities and countries -- from Carnival in Rio to the Festival of Flowers in Nice -- and have found Hindu festivals to be among the most exciting and colorful I have ever seen. January is an important month for various holy days in India and elsewhere in the Hindu culture. Imagine a procession of sadhus -- Hindu holy men -- parading naked through the streets, many of them handsome silverfoxes, with their succulent sweetmeats swinging before your eyes!

Headline:
Hindus gather for mega festival (BBC News, 01/08/01)

Text:
Pilgrims have travelled great distances braving the cold Tens of thousands of Hindu pilgrims have converged on the north Indian city of Allahabad where preparations are underway for a massive religious festival.

The Maha Kumbh Mela, or Grand Pitcher Festival, takes place every 12 years and sees millions of devotees bathe in the Ganges to purify their sins.

The Kumbh is held at the confluence of the Ganges and Yamuna rivers, and Hindu scriptures say this is one of four places on which the Gods spilt a drop of the elixir of immortality.

The authorities have spent millions of dollars on security and other arrangements with up to 30 million people expected over the next 42 days.

The BBC's Jill McGivering, who is at the Kumbh Mela, says the whole area is flooded with people and noise as religious orders staged colourful processions to the site.

Marching bands and elephants accompanied the sadhus (Hindu holy men), many of them naked or scantily clad, their bodies smeared with ash.

"I came a long way from Jammu and Kashmir to be at this holy place," one sadhu said.

In the past, many people have often been separated from their families amid the sheer crush of numbers.

In 1954, between 500 to 1,000 people were crushed to death in a stampede and in 1989, 60 people were also killed.
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From: bishinik@uswest.net
Subject: 1948-2000

A friend in Florida sent this to me. If it's true, it's weird.

I was recently watching a video of that old 1948 thriller "Key Largo" with Edward G. Robinson, Humphrey Bogart, and Lionel Barrymore. I practically fell out of my chair at one point when Robinson (playing a gangster as only he could) says to the good guy (Bogart): "Let me tell you about Florida politicians. I make them out of whole cloth, just like a tailor makes a suit. I get their name in the newspaper. I get them some publicity and get them on the ballot. Then after the election, we count the votes. And if they don't turn out right, we recount them. And recount them again until they do." (THIS WAS IN 1948)
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From: "luvhog" luvhog@ameritech.net
Subject: New Years and resolutions

Welcome to the first of the year, no, I didn't get laid at midnight New Years Eve as promised, male thrashing, penile corrupt, Self Gratifying, age old, geriatrically enhanced, outrageously funny, disgustingly raunchy,ridiculously perverse, never calm, seldom trashed, somewhat sexy, Roman numerically defunct, maniacal, permanently insane, consistently inconsistent, not too often ridiculed, all too often hailed as the best, independently successful, uncontrollably irrational, safer than safe sex, drug enhanced, drug doped and blood loaded deviant that some say I am.
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So, if you are like most guys, you spent the stroke of midnight, stroking yourself. Either you were all alone, or your mate went off to sleep before midnight, and you promised yourself that you would start the year off with a bang. OK, you intended on screwing the guy you love or at least screwing one you just met for a few hours but it just didn't work out

I have found that guys are getting more creative with how they jerk and the products they use to do it with. Although some of them are a bit fucked up if you ask me which I know you haven't but why else would you still be reading if you didn't want my opinion?

Cotton or acrylic socks ------------------- GOOD
Wool socks -------------------------------- BAD

Vegetable or food grade mineral oils ------ GOOD
Petroleum distillates --------------------- BAD

His lover's silk underwear --------------- GOOD
His mom's leather push-up bra ------------- BAD

Butter ------------------------------------ GOOD
Shortening -----------(are you nuts?)------ BAD

Glycerin --------------------------------- GOOD
Nitro-Glycerin --------------------------- BAD

Baby Oil ---------------------------------- GOOD
Baby diapers ------------------------------ BAD
Your Grandma's diapers ---------------------Totally fucked Up

Peanut Oil ---------------------------------- GOOD
Peanut Butter (Smoothy)---------------------- BAD
Peanut Butter (Crunchy)-----------------------Totally fucked Up

Lamb's Wool --------------------------------- GOOD
Steel Wool ---------------------------------- BAD

Aloe Vera ----------------------------------- GOOD
Alum ---------------------------------------- VERY GOOD

Castor oil ------------------------------------ GOOD
Castrol GTX ----------------------------------- BAD
Fidel Castro -----------------------------------Totally fucked Up

Silk ------------------------------------------ GOOD
Slik 50 --------------------------------------- BAD

Hand ------------------------------------------ GOOD
Sand ------------------------------------------ BAD

Lubriderm ------------------------------------- GOOD
Pachyderm ------------------------------------- BAD

Coppertone ------------------------------------ GOOD
Copper Sulfate -------------------------------- BAD

Powdered Graphite ---------------------------- GOOD
Graphite Fibers ------------------------------- BAD

Teflon ---------------------------------------- GOOD
Epoxy ----------------------------------------- BAD

Olive Oil ------------------------------------- GOOD
Olive Pits -------------------------------------BAD
Olive Oyl --------------------------------------Totally Fucked Up

A Vacuumed----------------------------------------Good
A Broom-----------------------------------------Bad
A Dustbuster------------------------------------Totally Fucked Up
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So, have any of you kept your New Years resolution? Bullshit. No one ever does. OK, well Clinton resolved to get laid at least once a day, and well, although there is no proof, I sure as hell would not bet against it. For fun, have you ever kept your resolutions on paper, just to see how badly you fucked up since last year?

"New Year's Resolutions - 2001 Edition":

Resolution #1
1998: I will try to be a better mate to George.
1999: I will not leave George.
2000: I will try for a reconciliation with George.
2001: I will try to be a better mate to Fred.

Resolution #2
1998: I will stop screwing other guys.
1999: I will not screw Fred ever again.
2000: I will not let Fred pressure me into another affair.
2001: I will stop screwing other guys.

Resolution #3
1998: I will not let my boss push me around.
1999: I will not let my sadistic bastard of a boss drive me to the point of suicide.
2000: I will stick up for my rights when that prick bullies me.
2001: I will tell Dr. Hodger and the group about my boss.

Resolution #4
1998: I will read at least 20 good books a year.
1999: I will read at least 10 books a year.
2000: I will read 5 books a year.
2001: I will watch at least 1 Digemon cartoon.

Resolution #5
1998: I will not get upset when Charlie and Sam make jokes about my baldness.
1999: I will not get annoyed when Charlie and Sam kid me about my flatulence and anal leakage due to overdoses of chips made with Olestra.
2000: I will not lose my temper when they tell the guys I have a penis the size of pack of rockets.
2001: I will not speak to Charlie and Sam.

Resolution #6
1998: I will get my weight down below 180.
1999: I will watch my calories until I get below 190.
2000: I will follow my new diet religiously until I can once again see my penis.
2001: I will try to develop a realistic attitude about my weight and learn to suck cock like a pro.

Resolution #7
1998: I will not take a drink before 5:00 p.m.
1999: I will not touch the bottle before noon.
2000: I will not become a "problem drinker".
2001: I wlk nut mysss anie AA meeteengs anie AA meeteengs.

Resolution #8
1998: I will not spend my money frivolously.
1999: I will pay off my bank loan promptly.
2000: I will pay off my bank loans promptly.
2001: I will begin making a strong effort to be out of debt by 2002 and to heal from the wounds inflicted on me by Micky "No-Nose" Mammoth.

Resolution #9
1998: I will see my dentist this year.
1999: I will have my cavities filled this year.
2000: I will have my root canal work done this year.
2001: I will get rid of my denture breath this year.

Resolution #10
1998: I will go to church every Sunday.
1999: I will go to church as often as possible.
2000: I will set aside time each day for prayer and meditation.
2001: I will try to spend at least once a week with a stranger who takes my money and makes me scream "Oh God!"
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New Year's Resolutions You Can Keep

Are you sick of making the same resolutions year after year that you never keep? Why not promise to do something you can actually accomplish? Here are some resolutions that you can use as a starting point, and the ones you can't keep? well they are a hall of a lot better than the crap you have been resolutioning:

1. Gain weight. At least 30 pounds.
2. Stop exercising. Waste of time.
3. Read less. Makes you think. Read more articles in Chiron Rising.
4. Watch more TV.
5. Procrastinate more. Starting tomorrow.
6. Stop Jerking off to cast of Queer as Folk. Especially that Justin dude.
7. Spend more time at work, surfing porno sites with the T1.
8. Take a vacation to someplace important: like, to see the largest ball of twine.
9. Don't jump off a cliff just because everyone else did.
10. Stop bringing lunch from home. Eat at a bar.
11. Don't have eight children at once.
12. Get in a whole NEW rut!
13. Go on an all Canadian Diet. Only drink rye.
14. Personal goal: bring back disco.
15. Don't wrestle with Jesse Helmes. Wrestle with Jesse Ventura.
16. Don't bet against the Minnesota Vikings.
17. Buy an '83 Eldorado and invest in a really loud stereo system.
18. Get the windows tinted. Buy some fur for the dash.
19. Speak in a monotone voice and only use monosyllabic.
20. Only wear jeans that are 2 sizes too small and use a chain or rope for belt.
21. Spend my summer vacation in Cyberspace.
22. Don't eat cloned meat.
23. Create loose ends.
24. Get more toys.
25. Get further in debt.
26. Don't believe politicians.
27. Break at least one traffic law.
28. Don't drive a motorized vehicle across thin ice.
29. Avoid transmission of inter-species diseases.
30. Avoid airplanes that spontaneously drop 1000 feet.
31. Join the Mile High Club.
32. Run around the street half naked. Fuck it. All naked.
33. Get wired with high-speed net connections at home.
34. Don't swim with piranhas or sharks.
35. Associate with even worse business clients.
36. Spread out priorities beyond ability to keep track of them.
37. Fuck an intern with a Cigar
38. Focus on the faults of others.
39. Make sure you vote for the right candidate.
40. Never make New Year's resolutions again.
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From: dick pan pandick_2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: New Years and resolutions

Lordy, Lordy! What a great ride to that list of 40! And a surprise ending! Shit, what more could a guy ask for on a Wednesday morning? Luvhog - you done well! Keep oinking!
Dick
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From: "Ben Boxer" benboxer@mediaone.net
Subject: Parents Told To End Boy Scouts Ties

Ben Boxer notes: Condemnation of homophobia finds a religious voice. The struggle defines new allies in unexpected places.

Headline:
Parents Told To End Boy Scouts Ties (AP, 01/10/01)

Text:
NEW YORK (AP) Reform Jewish leaders have recommended that parents withdraw their children from Boy Scout chapters and that synagogues end their sponsorship of Scout troops because of the group's exclusion of gays.

The Boy Scouts of America's stance on gays is "incompatible with our consistent belief that every individual regardless of his or her sexual orientation is created in the image of God and is deserving of equal treatment,'' the Joint Commission on Social Action said in a Jan. 5 letter to Reform movement congregations.

Congregations also should publicize their reason for cutting ties with the Boy Scouts to help educate the public, the commission said.

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