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Saturday, April 28 2001
Volume 01 : Number 221

In this issue:

-Condom & crisco info might save your life (8)
-Humor: The Gift of Life
-Humor: Another version of the Gift of Life

From: George of Boston
Subject: Condom & crisco info might save your life

Sorry for the cross-posting. I think this information is important, and some of us might not be aware of the dangers.

A list member asked:
What is the benefit of using crisco over any other lubricant?

Dennis replied:
Be advised however that Crisco can not be used with condoms or other rubber products without degrading/destroying the rubber. Check out your local pharmacy for condom safe [water based] lubricants if anal penetration is to be performed using a rubber condom.

George of Boston adds:
The type of condom that is safe to use with oily or greasy lubricants is made of a very thin plastic, polyurethane. They are commonly available in drugstores at a higher price than latex, but you must read the labels with care. If you have trouble reading, do not use Crisco.

These polyurethane condoms provide a better feeling for the penetrator, and oil based lubes provide a better feeling for the recipient. Your mileage may vary, of course. You might prefer rubber condoms and water based lube.

Please note: oil with plastic; water with rubber. Your life could depend on remembering that. Any type of grease rots a latex condom in a minute or two.

The polyurethane condom is stronger than the latex one, which may be helpful if the penetrator is a tiger when the moment comes.

George of Boston (Boston Bill)
From: Jack McGee
Subject: Re: Condom & crisco info might save your life

George is absolutely right. I was fisting a guy a couple of years with what he'd said was a polyurethane glove and Crisco when the glove absolutely disentegrated. Now I always carry gloves of polyurethane if there's any question of my fist being used. I also carry polyurethane condoms and several kinds of lube. Polyurethane can be used with both oil based and water based lubes so if you're carrying polyurethane, there's no question as to whether you can use any given lube.

I also prefer the feeling of polyurethane on my cock. It feels more like the barebacking I did before HIV became a part of our sex world. And I can feel that prostate more exactly with the head of my dick when I'm wearing polyurethane as opposed to latex.

The polyurethane gloves are a bit harder to find than latex, but if you can't find them at your pharmacist try a medical supply house in some large town. Mine are supplied by my doctor though I've never had occasion to use either gloves or condoms with him. Not that I'd mind. He's a good looking guy with a pretty ass. But it hasn't been offered and his wife keeps a pretty close eye on him.
From: George of Boston
Subject: Re: Condom & crisco info might save your life

Walt Craig wrote:
I decided to try buying this improved version.

George responds:
Almost any chain drugstore will have them. It is a matter of reading package labels closely and rejecting the ones that say "latex" and looking for the ones that say "polyurethane". The polyurethane ones will be about twice the price of latex, so looking at higher priced ones is a start. Most stores will have ten times as many latex as polyurethane, so don't give up too quickly in your search.

George of Boston (Boston Bill)
From: Walt Craig
Subject: Re: Condom & crisco info might save your life

I found this article very interesting, especially since it suggests that using a polyurethane condom enhances the users pleasure to be more like 'barebacking'. Anything that encourages men to use condoms is good in my opinion. Since my supply of regular condoms has reached a dangerously low level I decided to try buying this improved version.

Okay, I confess, I wasn't about to ask the pharmacist where the polyurethane condoms were kept. Since the latex variety are out in the open where anyone, including shocked little old ladies, and horror of horrors real children can see them, I made the assumption that the store did not carry the kind I was looking for.

Are they difficult to acquire, or do I simply need to look in a different, perhaps larger, drug store? There is a web site (might be out of business now that the dot coms have crashed and burned) where it was possible to not only to buy, but get all kinds of information about condoms.

From: Jack McGee
Subject: Re: Condom & crisco info might save your life

Walt, right now, I seem to be able to find Trojan brand SUPRA's more easily than any other. But AVANTI was the first brand I found and one I like. Also the REALITY women's condoms are made of polyurethane. If I need condoms and can't find polyurthane I usually buy MAGNUM's which are bigger. I'm not bragging here, my cock is only slightly longer than most and the shaft is slender with a bigger mushroom shaped head, which is probably why the bigger ones feel better. However once again MAGNUM's are latex and one must be careful about lubes. With polyurethane condoms you can use anything including handlotions.

One nice thing about polyurethane condoms is the lasting powers of the oil based lubes. In the days before HIV, when we gangbanged more often, the cum from the earlier guys added lube. Now when gangbanging one has to add lube with each new condomed cock.

Are they difficult to acquire, or do I simply need to look in a different, perhaps larger, drug store?

Most Wal Marts pharmacies will have either or both the SUPRA's and the AVANTI's as will a lot of chain stores. Don't be shy about asking the pharmacist. If he hasn't been asked about them, it may not have occurred to him to stock them.....he might even want to use one with you.
From: "Ken Ransom"
Subject: Re: Condom & crisco info might save your life

Just a word about the Reality female condom. They are designed to remain inserted in the vagina. Works the same for an ass. If you use spit to lubricate the interior of the condom, you can fuck a while, pull out and get blown, and then re-enter without messy cleanups and a new condom. They're a little more expensive, but give it a try. And your partner doesn't get a mouthful of Crisco or any other foul-tasting lube. If you both have one in, you can go around the world without those deflating intervals when practicality needs must replace lust!

From: Jack McGee
Subject: Re: Condom & crisco info might save your life

I really like Reality when I'm spending a long relaxed time with someone I care for, because I can get head as well as fucking his sweet ass without having to suit up over and over and without his having to taste some nasty lube.....but be sure the inner ring is completely beyond the prostate or it's going to be painful for him. I was horrified when I removed it from a young man one day to find it bloody outside. He was nearly a virgin still, maybe the third time I'd fucked him, but he knows now for sure that no matter how much he wants to be fucked and loved by a sexy daddy, it ISN'T supposed to hurt that much even if you haven't been used much.
From: "Buzter"
Subject: Re: Condom & crisco info might save your life

Trojan makes the best polyurethane condom. They come in a grey, gold and red box and I'll be damned if I can remember what they are called. So, if your store carries Trojan, they will probably have these also. The original brand polyurethane condom for men was a brand call Avanti. I tried these on several occasions, but they are not made for ass-fucking. After several of them broke upon penetration, I gave up on them. They came out about 3-4 years ago and maybe they have been improved since then, but you won't get me to try them out again. I have never had any trouble with the Trojans, but you must use lots of lubrication with them.

And, you shouldn't be shy about asking a pharmacist if they carry them. That is part of a pharmacist's job.. If you were 15, you might get a look and a hard time, but in this day and age, condoms are a way of life. I have seen condom commercials on TV and the other day heard a radio commercial complete with a catchy jingle. The condom company was having a contest of some sort.

And, the way Pfizer pushes Viagra, apparently nothing is taboo when it comes to advertising sex these days. The pharmacist won't be embarrassed and maybe even admire you for having safer sex in mind. I am sure they would rather dispense rubbers than the AIDS cocktail. And, unless you are a flaming queen, they probably don't know that you will be using them for man-to-man action. It's none of their business anyway. Most pharmacies are there to make money. They could give a rat's butt about your personal life.

And, who knows? Without bragging, I met a very nice pharmacist at my drugstore when I asked if they carried Magnums. Now he always flirts with me and stares at my crotch when I come in to get a script filled. Too bad he has a wedding ring on. I draw the line at married men. But he sure am cute and I sure am tempted.

From: "David Cantu"
Subject: Jokes

Two rednecks, Bubba and Earl, were driving down the road drinking a couple of bottles of Bud. The passenger, Bubba, said "Lookey thar up ahead, Earl, it's a poll-ice roadblock!! We're gonna get busted fer drinkin' these here beers!!"

Don't worry, Bubba," Earl said. "We'll just pull over and finish drinkin' these beers, peel off the label and stick it on our foreheads, and throw the bottles under the seat".

"What fer?" asked Bubba. "Just let me do the talkin', OK?" said Earl.

Well, they finished their beers, threw the empty bottles under the seat and each put a label on their forehead. When they reached the roadblock, the sheriff said, "You boys been drinkin'?"

"No, sir," said Earl. "We're on the patch."
A guy went to a psychiatrist because he was having problems with his sex life. The psychiatrist asked him a lot of questions, but he couldn.t get a clear picture of the problem. Finally he asked, "Do you ever watch your wife's face while you're having sex?"

"Well, yes, I did once."

"Well, how did she look?"

"Oh boy, she looked very angry!"

At this point the psychiatrist felt that he was really getting somewhere. "Well that's very interesting, we must look into this further. Now tell me, you say that you have only seen your wife's face once during sex. That seems highly unusual. How did it occur that you saw her face that time?"

"She was watching us through the window."
From: "luvhog"
Subject: Humor: The Gift of Life

On the very first day, God created the cow. He said to the cow, "Today I have created you! As a cow, you must go to the field with the farmer all day long. You will work all day under the sun! I will give you a life span of 50 years."

The cow objected, "What? This kind of tough life you want me to live for 50 years? Let me have 20 years, and the 30 years I'll give back to you."

So God agreed.

On the second day, God created the dog. God said to the dog, "What you are supposed to do is to sit all day by the door of your house. Any people that come in, you will have to bark at them! I'll give a life span of 20 years."

The dog objected, "What? All day long to sit by the door? No way! I give you back my other 10 years of life!"

So God agreed.

On the third day, God created the monkey. He said to the monkey, "Monkeys have to entertain people. You've got to make them laugh and do monkey tricks. I'll give you 20 years life span." The monkey objected. "What? Make them laugh? Do monkey faces and tricks? Ten years will do, and the other 10 years I'll give you back."

So God agreed.

On the fourth day, God created man and said to him, "Your job is to sleep, eat, and play. You will enjoy very much in your life. All you need to do is to enjoy and do nothing. This kind of life, I'll give you a 20 year life span."

The man objected. "What? Such a good life! Eat, play, sleep, do nothing? Enjoy the best and you expect me to live only for 20 years? No way, man... why don't we make a deal? Since the cow gave you back 30 years, the dog gave you back 10 years, the monkey gave you back 10 years, I will take them from you! That makes my life span 70 years, right?"

So God agreed.

AND THAT'S WHY.... In our first 20 years, we eat, sleep, play, enjoy the best and do nothing much. For the next 30 years, we work all day long, suffer and get to support the family. For the next 10 years, we entertain our grandchildren by making monkey faces and monkey tricks. And for the last 10 years, we stay at home, sit by the front door and bark at people! ------------------------------
Subject: Humor: Another version of the Gift of Life

On the first day god created the monkey and gave him a sex life of 15 years, the monkey Said please I only need 10 years I will give back 5 years.

On the second day God created Lion and gave him 20 years of sex lifethe Lion said I only desire 10 years please I will give back 10 years.

On the third day God created man and gave him 20 years of sex life Man said please I desire more can I have more and God said you may have the 5 years the monkey gave back and the ten years that the Lion refused.

And that is why man has 20 years of sex life, 5 years of monkeying around and ten years of lion

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