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Tuesday, April 17 2001
Volume 01 : Number 210

In this issue:

-Alec Guinness (2)
-Congressmen criticize Florida lawmaker (2)
-Humor: Weekend Happenstance
-William Holden
-Elderly people still need affection (4)
-Quotes of the Day

From: "David Cantu"
Subject: Alec Guinness

Since I always had the hots for "Obi Wan Kenobi", this is an intersting article from


Obi-Wan KenobiAlec Guinness' arrest over 50 years ago for engaging in a "homosexual act" in a Liverpool restroom is just now becoming public.

Acclaimed British actor Sir Alec Guinness may have been bisexual, according to three new biographies cited by the BBC and the Guardian newspaper.

Guinness, a beloved star of stage and screen, with a career spanning more than 50 years, was best know for his roles in such classic films as "Lawrence of Arabia," "Star Wars," "Oliver Twist" and "The Bridge on the River Kwai." Guinness died last August at the age of 86.

The soon-to-be-released biographies, one due out next month, will reportedly detail Guinness' 1946 arrest and conviction for engaging in a "homosexual act" in a public restroom. The incident, which took place in Liverpool, England, was hidden until now because when arrested Guinness used a false name -- Herbert Pocket, a character in Charles Dickens' "Great Expectations." According to the Guardian report, at the time of his arrest, Guinness was preparing to play the role of Pocket in a film version by David Lean -- a character Guinness had perfected on stage in 1939.

Apparently, no one suspected the pseudonym, and Guinness managed to hide the incident from the public eye, although Sheridan Morley, author of the biography due out in May, told the Guardian that Guinness' sexuality had "always been known" to his family and friends.

Guinness' longtime friend and fellow star, Sir John Gielgud, was very publicly arrested for "importuning" (soliciting gay sex) in London in 1953 -- a disclosure that dogged Gielgud's career for years afterward and made the actor suicidal, according to the BBC.

The BBC report describes Guinness as bisexual, while the Guardian article referred to his "homosexual side" and his "gay side" throughout. However, neither publication gave direct indication of Guinness' participation in any homosexual acts other than the 1946 incident, or any reference to a self-identity as gay or bisexual on the actor's part. Indeed, at the time of the arrest, Guinness was married and had a son.

The Guardian, though, quoted Morley as saying, "As a character actor, [Guinness] was a sort of spy, which made him good at deception in life as well as art. He was keeping secret this other side of his life. He was very, very high church and guilt-ridden."
Subject: Re: Alec Guinness

Interesting article; it makes you think about what his life must have been like.

It is easy to understand that anyone would want to purposely hide their true self for an entire life. The still remains an indeterminable amount of prejudice against homosexuals, especially males. There have been numerous times when it has become known and you can't help wonder about the fact that these people lived lies all their life.

Young men growing up are subjected to so much male masculinity that the pattern gets set early on.

I personally feel very sorry for Sir Guiness for haveing to live such a life, only to be panned in the press for his sexuality. It is sad that such a life that his secret is finally out. I found him to be incredibly attractive and had never known that he was gay. It just didn't matter. I admired his looks and his mastery of the art of acting.

I don't mean to put the press down, it is just the way it is; it just happens to take incredibly long for the notion to change that a person's sexual preference in no way determines their worth or quality as a human being.

Like I said, it really makes you wonder.

From: "Ben Boxer"
Subject: Congressmen criticize Florida lawmaker

Ben Boxer comments: I've been waiting for his fellow legislators to come forward and correct this Republican congressman who made those hateful remarks to gay teenagers in Florida. I know that some of you have also been waiting. Too bad the only critics are Democrats. It would have more punch if his own party members had repudiated the things he had to say. Perhaps they will now be shamed into speaking out. I doubt it, but maybe they will surprise me. What wouldn't surprise me is his party's defending his right to free speech!

Congressmen criticize Florida lawmaker for antigay comments
(The Advocate)

Two South Florida congressmen have criticized a state lawmaker for antigay comments he made to a group of gay students visiting the capitol in Tallahassee earlier this month.

Democratic representatives Peter Deutsch and Robert Wexler issued separate statements criticizing Republican state representative Allen Trovillion for telling students that he would not support nondiscrimination protections and that "God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah" (and that gay teenagers will be the downfall of the country and they are wasting their lives).

Wexler said he was "greatly saddened by the intolerant and hurtful remarks" by Trovillion. "There is no excuse for such discrimination in America in the year 2001," he said. "An elected official's personal prejudice has no place in a democratic government and is completely unacceptable," Deutsch said. "It is my sincere hope that these students' own sense of judgment and tolerance will strengthen their resolve to combat acts of bias in our society."
From: "lj"
Subject: RE: Congressmen criticize Florida lawmaker
The largest contributor to Florida Representative Allen Trovillion's political war chest is ATT.

This is a pretty good reason for me to switch my long distance carrier.

From: "Ben Boxer"
Subject: Humor: Weekend Happenstance

A man has been found murdered in his home over the weekend. Detectives at the scene report he was discovered lying face down in his bathtub. The tub had been filled with milk and cornflakes, and a banana was sticking out of his ass.

Police suspect a cereal killer.
From: "Dennis O"
Subject: Willam Holden

David wrote.....

BillHoldenYou do know he liked to play around with younger men, right? I've had hots for John Wayne, but, I also love looking at Frank Sinatra wearing a cowboy outfit. The one who really turns my wheels is William Holden..UMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My response....

I heard that there was a pic of John Wayne getting it up the butt on the casting coach... Could that be true ??

Oh and William Holden was a hot man.. He had a nice Hairy chest..

From: "Ben Boxer"
Subject: Elderly people still need affection

Ben Boxer says: They are talking about hetroids in this article, living in British old-folks' homes (senior centers?), but at least it's a step in the right direction for the rest of us both here and there.

Care homes should have rooms for sex, Elderly people still need affection
(Edited from BBC News)

' Special rooms should be set aside in care homes so that elderly residents can have sex in private, says a charity. Julia Burton-Jones, who has written a guide on care homes for the charity, stressed that age or infirmity were no bar to continuing sexual relations. There is an ageist assumption that older people are not longer interested in intimacy, and this is simply not true.

Ms Burton-Jones said that visitors often felt unwilling to ask staff if they could go somewhere private with their partner. She told BBC News Online: "In the same way that you would not breeze into a hotel bedroom, neither should you do so when a couple are alone together in a room at a care home. Privacy and desire for intimate expression of affection and sexuality needs to be protected.
From: "David Cantu"
Subject: Re: Elderly people still need affection

I do my part in asking horny old men to come to my house...

From: "Ben Boxer" Subject: Re: Elderly people still need affection

I suppose if you were a Boy Scout it would have to be a horny old lady. You could always say she's your Scoutmistress. That wouldn't be far from wrong.
From: "Pewit"
Subject: Re: Elderly people still need affection

While they may make allowances for hetroids to be together in Retirement Homes (or Senior Centres in the UK- note spelling :-) If you are unfortunate enough to need a retirement home in the UK you have to slam the closet door behind you as you enter. There's a long way to go before we catch up with the US and open gay retirement homes of which the US has one already built and a number in the planning stage.

I can just see what the tabloid newspapers in the UK would make of it is someone tried to open one here - "Perverts paradise" etc etc.

We have a long way to go in many ways but we are ahead of the US as far as immigration laws are concerned. See "Today the United States is the only industrialised English-speaking country that does not grant same-sex partners immigration preferences"

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From: "Ben Boxer"
Subject: Quotes of the Day

"My only regret in life is that I'm not someone else."
--- Woody Allen

"I am the best sex I ever had."
--- Woody Allen

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